[NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor Maneuver description and judging

[Mike Hester]

No chiding here, I feel your pain....I haven't practiced at all. Just haven't had a chance yet.

Soon, soon....!

-Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor Maneuver description and judging


  Georg,

  Entry (start position relative to center) and height will determine how the rolls are positioned within the diagonals. If the start is high, the legs will likely be long, and vice versa. The rolls will have to move accordingly.

  An improved description isn't possible this time around therefore I suggest we live with this and educate ourselves in regards to judging it and flying it. We may change the description at the next rules cycle if we need to.

  BTW, there are several maneuvers that are tricky, unfortunately. It's unfortunate because flying these things is one thing. Judging them CORRECTLY  (being educated about the possibilities)  is quite another. As judges we will be required to know the possibilities and NOT downgrade for them..... hopefully outlined clearly in the very fine offering of drawings courtesy of Rick Wallace

  Rick is right.... it's important to have the dialogue here prior to the season's start and Nats so everyone is informed accordingly. I also know that my southern friends will chide me about the season's start since it already has in those parts of the country....Sigh!!!!

  MattK

  In a message dated 4/2/2007 8:48:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, geobet at gis.net writes:
    Boy, I love that Anthony. He really stimulates my brain ( however small it may be). I spent about 2&1/2 hours Sunday afternoon drawing out this maneuver in differing scales trying to understand why the roll position varied with different presentations and was able to finally determine that the entry point is the culprit.
    The original maneuver was designed to represent a golfball sitting on top of a tee. If you take your K-factor and turn the page upside-down you will see what the thing is supposed to look like in the first drawing. In the second drawing the tee is extremely small and this is because the entry point is late ( too close to the center of the maneuver). IMO, the maneuver should be performed in a way that presents the overall form with relative symmetry between the upper and lower halves of the total maneuver. 
    If the entry point occurs at a point on a vertical line drawn tangentially from the extreme radius of the looping segment with this line intersecting the center of the first 1/8th radius, then the rolls will occur exactly on the center line of the maneuver and the baseline (imaginary) of the tee will equal the diameter of the loop and the total maneuver will be in symmetry.
    I feel that the symmetry requirement should have been included in the descriptor in order to achieve standardization in the judging criteria. Applying the existing criteria to this maneuver is almost like scoring last year's TO's & Lndgs. I predict that there will be many a disappointed pilot this year when they get their sheets.
    Georgie   
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: richard wallace 
      To: NSRCA Mailing List 
      Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:46 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor Maneuver description and judging


      It's working: early-season discussion of new maneuvers. Perfect!

      In our early discussions, one of the authors of the sequence protested that he'd envisioned the 1/2 rolls crossing at center, and just last weekend when I was practicing, I automatically tried to position and size the maneuver so that the 1/2 rolls WOULD be on center... but they don't have to be for a max score. 

      Wayne and Matt nailed it - the maneuver description simply states that the the rolls are centered on the 45 lines, not that they occur in the center of the maneuver -- and there's a difference between the two.  It is possible to fly this one correctly in several ways, and each way should be judged accordingly.   As judges we'll need to score against the maneuver description which is the standard, not a mental image or set of assumptions... 

      Keep it coming -this is great! 

      Rick 





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