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<DIV>No chiding here, I feel your pain....I haven't practiced at all. Just
haven't had a chance yet.</DIV>
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<DIV>Soon, soon....!</DIV>
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<DIV>-Mike</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 02, 2007 10:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
Maneuver description and judging</DIV>
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<DIV>Georg,</DIV>
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<DIV>Entry (start position relative to center) and height will determine how
the rolls are positioned within the diagonals. If the start is high, the legs
will likely be long, and vice versa. The rolls will have to move
accordingly.</DIV>
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<DIV>An improved description isn't possible this time around therefore I
suggest we live with this and educate ourselves in regards to judging it and
flying it. We may change the description at the next rules cycle if we need
to.</DIV>
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<DIV>BTW, there are several maneuvers that are tricky, unfortunately. It's
unfortunate because flying these things is one thing. Judging them
CORRECTLY (being educated about the possibilities) is quite
another. As judges we will be required to know the possibilities and NOT
downgrade for them..... hopefully outlined clearly in the very fine
offering of drawings courtesy of Rick Wallace</DIV>
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<DIV>Rick is right.... it's important to have the dialogue here prior to the
season's start and Nats so everyone is informed accordingly. I also know that
my southern friends will chide me about the season's start since it already
has in those parts of the country....Sigh!!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/2/2007 8:48:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
geobet@gis.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Boy, I love that Anthony. He really stimulates
my brain ( however small it may be). I spent about 2&1/2 hours Sunday
afternoon drawing out this maneuver in differing scales trying to understand
why the roll position varied with different presentations and was able to
finally determine that the entry point is the culprit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The original maneuver was designed to represent
a golfball sitting on top of a tee. If you take your K-factor and turn the
page upside-down you will see what the thing is supposed to look like in the
first drawing. In the second drawing the tee is extremely small and this is
because the entry point is late ( too close to the center of the maneuver).
IMO, the maneuver should be performed in a way that presents the overall
form with relative symmetry between the upper and lower halves of the total
maneuver. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the entry point occurs at a point on a
vertical line drawn tangentially from the extreme radius of the looping
segment with this line intersecting the center of the first 1/8th
radius, then the rolls will occur exactly on the center line of the maneuver
and the baseline (imaginary) of the tee will equal the diameter of
the loop and the total maneuver will be in symmetry.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I feel that the symmetry requirement should
have been included in the descriptor in order to
achieve standardization in the judging criteria. Applying the existing
criteria to this maneuver is almost like scoring last year's TO's &
Lndgs. I predict that there will be many a disappointed pilot this year
when they get their sheets.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mailto:rickwallace45@gmail.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 02, 2007 8:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
K-Factor Maneuver description and judging</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It's working: early-season discussion of new
maneuvers. Perfect!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In our early discussions, one of the authors of the
sequence protested that he'd envisioned the 1/2 rolls crossing at center,
and just last weekend when I was practicing, I automatically tried to
position and size the maneuver so that the 1/2 rolls WOULD be on center...
but they don't have to be for a max score. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Wayne and Matt nailed it - the maneuver
description simply states that the the rolls are centered on the 45 lines,
not that they occur in the center of the maneuver -- and there's a
difference between the two. It is possible to fly this one correctly
in several ways, and each way should be judged accordingly. As
judges we'll need to score against the maneuver description which is the
standard, not a mental image or set of assumptions... </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Keep it coming -this is great! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Rick </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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