[NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where'sthebeef?
Steven Maxwell
patternrules at earthlink.net
Thu Sep 28 07:01:43 AKDT 2006
Jason I think it's great to see you active on the list. I would think
that the local contest would be a very low key event for you guys more like
a break from the action. Do you have any ideas on what it would take to get
more of the top pilots involved in local events? Is there a fix for this?
Great to have your imput and ideas here.
Thanks
Steven Maxwell
> [Original Message]
> From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 9/28/2006 10:45:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up.
Where'sthebeef?
>
> Let me remind you that in the past, pilots were known to hold 2, 1 day
> contests to meet the requirements. You really think it wouldn't happen
> again?
>
> How many of you travel to flying events at least every other weekend from
> March til October?
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's
> thebeef?
>
>
> Of course there is another side to the story. I do
> know there are a lot more events pulling on your time.
> Andrew usually has several requests queued up every
> weekend throughout the summer.
>
> But, if a two or three contest requirement were added,
> we might either see more of the top fliers at local
> contests or different representation at the Worlds.
>
>
> --- JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, lets see what's in the pot now compared to
> > years ago... Nats, Don Lowe
> > Masters, Tucson Shootout, XFC, Joe-Nall, Top Gun,
> > Toledo and WRAM Shows,
> > ETOC/X-Games at Toledo, SEFF, NEAT, AZ Flight
> > Festival and IMAC contests.
> > Years ago, there was the Nats/Masters (team trials)
> > and TOC, and of course
> > the local contests. When I was in NJ, it was nice
> > because contests were
> > with-in 5 hours of home. Here in FL, I will travel 7
> > hours to get to
> > Pensacola and Atlanta to go to contests. Out in AZ,
> > there was the Phoenix
> > contest and LV contest, and everything else was 8+
> > hours away from Tucson.
> > It's not that I didn't want to go to the contests,
> > it's that they were
> > further than I wanted to drive. That's why I've been
> > to so many contests
> > since I've been back here. I even tried to pull
> > double duty during Top Gun
> > and drive almost 2 hours to make the contest before
> > and after my demo's. The
> > demo's went well, but I finished last at the contest
> > cause we flew 5 rounds
> > and I only made 3. Oh well, I still enjoyed it.
> >
> > The problem, as I see it, is that today the top
> > pilots have a schedule that
> > makes this a job. I personally am home for 4 weeks
> > the first 5 months of the
> > year. I am all for the 3 contests to qualify for the
> > team trials, but again,
> > if I were in AZ still, I might not be thinking the
> > same. Also, take a look
> > at how many pilots you consider "top pilots" today
> > as to how many you did
> > back then. I think the list is longer years ago than
> > it is today. I remember
> > trying to climb the ranks in FAI in the early 90's
> > and I started from the
> > 20's. The overall participation in pattern is down,
> > not just by the top
> > guys.
> >
> > As for doing away with sponsorship stickers on
> > planes... that's a good one.
> > ;)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> > www.jasonshulman.com
> > www.shulmanaviation.com
> > www.composite-arf.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
> > Behalf Of mike mueller
> > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:39 AM
> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> > stir things up. Where's
> > thebeef?
> >
> >
> > Note I didn't say that all the top flyers don't
> > participate on a local
> > level. Dave Lockhart is always there, along with
> > guys like Troy Newman and
> > since he's been in Fla. Jason has been seen. There
> > may be more but for the
> > most part the participation is lacking.
> > As far as sponsorships it's just a point of
> > discussion. I know that it
> > can't be changed but that doesn't mean I don't think
> > that its part of the
> > problem. Mike
> >
> > Dave Michael <davidmichael1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Anything that will get the marquee flyers out
> > and competing/mixing it up
> > with "the rest of us" is beneficial for promoting
> > the hobby and generating
> > interest but I'm not sure you can say that all of
> > these flyers aren't out
> > there participating locally. They may also wish
> > that they could fly more
> > local contests but their personal and professional
> > obligations may just be
> > getting in the way of going to contests just like
> > everyone else struggles
> > with. So- having said that, overall, I would
> > support something that would
> > incent the top flyers from getting out to the local
> > contests.
> >
> > The sponsorship decals idea- not allowing
> > stickers or blatent
> > advertising- I don't agree with. I personally don't
> > see any real benefit in
> > getting rid of them or harm in having them- why do
> > you feel this way? It's
> > a byproduct of capitalism- advertise your product,
> > market to your potential
> > customer. If a flyer is fortunate enough to get a
> > sponsorship I assume they
> > earned it and I wouldn't want to dis-incent anyone
> > from working hard to get
> > something special. In addition- there's no way you
> > could enforce it.
> >
> > Dave Michael
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mike mueller
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:03 AM
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> > stir things up. Where's
> > the beef?
> >
> >
> > I have an observation that I've made that
> > disturbes me. I don't think
> > that we are getting enough of the top notch or team
> > worthy flyers
> > participating on a local level.
> > I think that in the future the team trials
> > need to be revamped so
> > that a flyer wanting to make the team would be
> > required to fly in at least 3
> > to 5 local contests per year.
> > Here's why I think this is important. We need
> > the top names in our
> > sport to be part of the sport from a leadership
> > standpoint. Imagine a QQ
> > showing up to fly against Andrew at a local contest.
> > It would be much more
> > exciting to watch and it would therefore promote
> > more interest. If we
> > continue on the path we are going interest in
> > pattern will continue to
> > slide.
> > In the 70's when the team selection was known
> > as the Masters you had
> > to fly your way into the contest by accumulating
> > points on the local level.
> > It was exciting. Were totally missing the boat with
> > our present system.
> > So here's the deal. Support the real pattern
> > flyers who make the
> > effort to support us and we will all be better off.
> > Oh and for what it's
> > worth I think we would be better off all around if
> > we didn't allow any
> > stickers or blatant advertising of any products in
> > our sport. Let's get back
> > to the flyers who do it on there own without all the
> > sponsorships.
> > All this is just what I've seen in the last 6
> > years of flying after a
> > 15 year absence for the hobby. TIA for letting me
> > vent and as my budddy
> > Bobby Satalino would say "Have a nice day"!
> > Mike Mueller
> >
> >
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