[NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's thebeef?
DaveL322 at comcast.net
DaveL322 at comcast.net
Thu Sep 28 07:12:47 AKDT 2006
Not sure this made it through the first time?
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From: DaveL322 at comcast.net
Maybe multiple other sides.....the 7-limbed teeter totter so to speak.
Couple other points -
- When the top guys are attending so many events, how much time do they have for practice? I don't think anyone wants to go to a pattern contest without practice.
- If "we" (US Pattern) could put more priority on pattern (as it was in the past), would we do any better? If we had different representation (pilots or more focused pilots) at the Worlds, would we do any better? If the answers are yes, then it is time we figure out a "better" system. Bottom line is we want the best possible pattern sequences flown at Worlds.
- If we had more top pilots at local events, would pattern benefit at the local level? Personally, I think it would. Big names are a draw, whether to a competition, a fly-in, festival, demo, whatever. Getting more attendance (pilots or spectators) to pattern is a good thing. Pattern contests are no longer known as the place to go to see the big names, it is known (by an ever decreasing number) as the training ground from where many big names started.
Many, many questions/scenarios can be presented/discussed at this point, but in simplistic terms, the majority of pilots that have a legitimate shot at the Team also have other interests (or conflicts if you like), and the question is if pattern were prioritized more, would the quality of pattern flown at the Worlds be any better? I think anyone who has competed at high levels understands the idea of "peaking" at the right time.......too much practice can be just as detrimental as too little, and we all have our ways of trying to attain our highest levels of performance.
Personally, I think sponsorship for pattern is a double edged sword - at times, it is a distraction (non-pattern events and demos), but it is also makes it easier to have the best planes and equipment needed to compete at the highest levels - assuming your sponsor has the best product <G>.
Regards,
Dave Lockhart
Davel322 at comcast.net
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From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> Of course there is another side to the story. I do
> know there are a lot more events pulling on your time.
> Andrew usually has several requests queued up every
> weekend throughout the summer.
>
> But, if a two or three contest requirement were added,
> we might either see more of the top fliers at local
> contests or different representation at the Worlds.
>
>
> --- JShulman wrote:
>
> > Well, lets see what's in the pot now compared to
> > years ago... Nats, Don Lowe
> > Masters, Tucson Shootout, XFC, Joe-Nall, Top Gun,
> > Toledo and WRAM Shows,
> > ETOC/X-Games at Toledo, SEFF, NEAT, AZ Flight
> > Festival and IMAC contests.
> > Years ago, there was the Nats/Masters (team trials)
> > and TOC, and of course
> > the local contests. When I was in NJ, it was nice
> > because contests were
> > with-in 5 hours of home. Here in FL, I will travel 7
> > hours to get to
> > Pensacola and Atlanta to go to contests. Out in AZ,
> > there was the Phoenix
> > contest and LV contest, and everything else was 8+
> > hours away from Tucson.
> > It's not that I didn't want to go to the contests,
> > it's that they were
> > further than I wanted to drive. That's why I've been
> > to so many contests
> > since I've been back here. I even tried to pull
> > double duty during Top Gun
> > and drive almost 2 hours to make the contest before
> > and after my demo's. The
> > demo's went well, but I finished last at the contest
> > cause we flew 5 rounds
> > and I only made 3. Oh well, I still enjoyed it.
> >
> > The problem, as I see it, is that today the top
> > pilots have a schedule that
> > makes this a job. I personally am home for 4 weeks
> > the first 5 months of the
> > year. I am all for the 3 contests to qualify for the
> > team trials, but again,
> > if I were in AZ still, I might not be thinking the
> > same. Also, take a look
> > at how many pilots you consider "top pilots" today
> > as to how many you did
> > back then. I think the list is longer years ago than
> > it is today. I remember
> > trying to climb the ranks in FAI in the early 90's
> > and I started from the
> > 20's. The overall participation in pattern is down,
> > not just by the top
> > guys.
> >
> > As for doing away with spons orship stickers on
> > planes... that's a good one.
> > ;)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> > www.jasonshulman.com
> > www.shulmanaviation.com
> > www.composite-arf.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
> > Behalf Of mike mueller
> > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:39 AM
> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> > stir things up. Where's
> > thebeef?
> >
> >
> > Note I didn't say that all the top flyers don't
> > participate on a local
> > level. Dave Lockhart is always there, along with
> > guys like Troy Newman and
> > since he's been in Fla. Jason has been seen. There
> > may be more but for the
> > most part the participation is lacking.
> > As far as sponsorships it's just a point of
> > discussion. I know that it
> > can't be changed but that doesn't mean I don't think
> > that its part of the
> > problem. Mike
> >
> > Dave Michael wrote:
> > Anything that will get the marquee flyers out
> > and competing/mixing it up
> > with "the rest of us" is beneficial for promoting
> > the hobby and generating
> > interest but I'm not sure you can say that all of
> > these flyers aren't out
> > there participating locally. They may also wish
> > that they could fly more
> > local contests but their personal and professional
> > obligations may just be
> > getting in the way of going to contests just like
> > everyone else struggles
> > with. So- having said that, overall, I would
> > support something that would
> > incent the top flyers from getting out to the local
> > contests.
> >
> > The sponsorship decals idea- not allowing
> > stickers or blatent
> > advertising- I don't agree with. I personally don't
> > see any real benefit in
> > getting rid of them or harm in having them- why do
> > you feel this way? It's
> > a byproduct of capitalism- advertise your product,
> > market to your potential
> > customer. If a flyer is fortunate enough to get a
> > sponsorship I assume they
> > earned it and I wouldn't want to dis-incent anyone
> > from working hard to get
> > something special. In addition- there's no way you
> > could enforce it.
> >
> > Dave Michael
> >
> >
> > ----- Ori ginal Message -----
> > From: mike mueller
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:03 AM
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to
> > stir things up. Where's
> > the beef?
> >
> >
> > I have an observation that I've made that
> > disturbes me. I don't think
> > that we are getting enough of the top notch or team
> > worthy flyers
> > participating on a local level.
> > I think that in the future the team trials
> > need to be revamped so
> > that a flyer wanting to make the team would be
> > required to fly in at least 3
> > to 5 local contests per year.
> > Here's why I think this is important. We need
> > the top names in our
> > sport to be part of the sport from a leadership
> > standpoint. Imagine a QQ
> & gt; showing up to fly against Andrew at a local contest.
> > It would be much more
> > exciting to watch and it would therefore promote
> > more interest. If we
> > continue on the path we are going interest in
> > pattern will continue to
> > slide.
> > In the 70's when the team selection was known
> > as the Masters you had
> > to fly your way into the contest by accumulating
> > points on the local level.
> > It was exciting. Were totally missing the boat with
> > our present system.
> > So here's the deal. Support the real pattern
> > flyers who make the
> > effort to support us and we will all be better off.
> > Oh and for what it's
> > worth I think we would be better off all around if
> > we didn't allow any
> > stickers or blatant advertising of any products in
> > our sport. L et's get back
> > to the flyers who do it on there own without all the
> > sponsorships.
> > All this is just what I've seen in the last 6
> > years of flying after a
> > 15 year absence for the hobby. TIA for letting me
> > vent and as my budddy
> > Bobby Satalino would say "Have a nice day"!
> > Mike Mueller
> >
> >
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