[NSRCA-discussion] Avoidance

[Ron Van Putte]

On Oct 4, 2006, at 9:52 PM, Fred Huber wrote:

> So if your memory is correct (and I hope it is)... we already have  
> a rule that works to give someone the option to evade the potential  
> mid-air... reposition, refly the interrupted maneuver and go on...  
> no downgrade.
>
> That would mean its just a matter of educating the judges and the  
> pilots

I went to the current AMA competition regulations for R/C aerobatics  
and what I said is repeated virtually word-for-word in paragraph 10.2.

Ron Van Putte

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Van Putte
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avoidance
>
>
> This is a 'sticky' area that requires a good CD.  The rules state  
> (this is from memory) that a contestant has the option to repeat an  
> attempt, if his flight is interrupted due to circumstances beyond  
> his control, but only for the maneuver affected and subsequent  
> maneuvers.  I think that, in avoiding a midair collision, the pilot  
> shows some, but not complete control in the situation and the rules  
> still warrants his being allowed to continue the flight, starting  
> with the affected maneuver.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> (rearranged for clarity of who's comment I am referring to...)
>> On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Jay Marshall wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I asked this question of a CD once, and also some judges, and was  
>>> told that there was no escaping a downgrade if you took action to  
>>> avoid a possible midair. Pilots are also intensely concentrated  
>>> on their own aircraft and may not see another until it is too  
>>> late to make a decision on which way to jump. This is why I  
>>> advocate flying slightly intersecting tracks, say 10 – 20  
>>> degrees, rather than parallel tracks at     contests.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:11 PM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Avoidance
>>
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>>
>> I agree 100%.
>>
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fred Huber <fhhuber at clearwire.net> wrote:
>>
>> Problem here is... one pilot may not see the other and the one who  
>> does see the other may be the lower class pilot, who has had it  
>> ground in that he MUST NOT DEVIATE.
>>
>>
>> I've heard discussions about close encounters... and what I hear  
>> is... "the planes look closer to each other than they are"... "the  
>> higher class is always further out"... "ignore the other plane."
>>
>>
>> So... what I keep hearing is exactly opposed to any attempt at  
>> avoidance for any reason.  Stick to your maneuver sequence at all  
>> costs.
>>
>>
>> There is no allowance given in the rules for mid-air avoidance...  
>> thus the way it is now, whoever flinches can throw out his flight  
>> because he's going to get a 0... or maybe a couple of zeros for  
>> blowing the maneuver to avoid a mid-air.  (unless the judges would  
>> deviate and say "Avoid him and then refly the maneuver") You can  
>> bet that 99%+ will wait for the other guy to flinch, especially if  
>> they are having a good flight.
>>
>>
>> So.. the guy who might be willing to give up his score and  
>> avoid... may be the one who doesn't see the mid-air comming and  
>> you have the other guy fixated on score... expecting the other guy  
>> to get out of his way... SMACK.  So... maybe the pilot who saw it  
>> comming "desrrves it".. does that make the other guy who didn't  
>> see it comming deserve it?
>>
>>
>> Give the pilots indication they won't be penlized for preventing 2  
>> planes from occupying the same place at the same time... and the  
>> guy who sees it comming will be more willing to prevent the  
>> collision.
>>
>>
>> As long as you have 2 flight lines on the same field flying in  
>> essentially the same box... you'll have mid-airs come up.  Yes,  
>> USUALLY the higher class pilot flys a bit further out and thus  
>> there's little risk.  But some lower class guys learn the box is  
>> bigger if you fly further out...  More time between maneuvers...  
>> less rush... Easier to be smooth...  And the rules even say you  
>> need to be out that far.... (most Sportsman pilots fly a closer  
>> line than the prescribed distance out... from what I have observed)
>>
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