[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8

[Fred Huber]

I'm still unclear as to if there MUST be a minimum 15 meters of level before 
and after EACH maneuver....

I can't find it in the rules that its required except before the first 
manuever entering the box, and after the last when exiting.

The maneuves in between?  its not specified except "equal" entry and exit 
level lines for each maneuver, but that does not say the same line length is 
required for every maneuver.  And, the "minimum" says to me that the lengths 
of the scored level entry and exit lines CAN be different.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at comcast.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8


> Don,
>
> Since it is the point of this list to be nitpicky, let me say that when 
> the
> plane is inverted at center it is at a point that it will never return to,
> therefore the actual center can not be the start of the manuver.  Granted,
> the center is part of the straight line that begins and ends all manuvers,
> but it is not part of the actual figure 8.  So to be complete, judging
> starts 15m before the exit of the final radius and ends 15m after this
> point. This encompases the center but is not the actual beginning and
> ending.
>
> As for Stuart's comment, I think any downgrade applied to what the 
> airplane
> does when it is in "no man's land" falls in the smoothness and 
> Gracefulness
> category and should be minimal.  ("no man's land" exists between some
> manuvers that are far apart where the prior manuver and its 15m exit line
> end, but there is a long space before the 15m entry line of the next
> manuver.)
>
> --Lance
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don Ramsey (CoxNet)" <don.ramsey at cox.net>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>
>
>> Lance,
>>
>> I believe it starts at center. Straight line before center and start at
>> center.  The reason I say that is rule 14.1 which says "Each time the
>> model
>> passes before the judges, a maneuver is executed, except after takeoff 
>> and
>> landing."  Of course, some maneuvers start before center as the slow 
>> roll,
>> etc. As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>>
>>
>>> Lance
>>> You will have to have a entry line before the push to vertical past
>>> center.This is where I think it starts... at the start of the entry 
>>> line.
>>>
>>> Jim Ivey
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>>>
>>>
>>>> OK,so where does the manuver begin and end?  At center, the radius 
>>>> after
>>>> center, at the first corner initiation?
>>>>
>>>> --Lance
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Jason
>>>> > The way we are flying the 8 is enter inverted and 1st loop (outside)
>>>> > to
>>>> > the
>>>> > right of center and next (inside) loop to the left of center.The 
>>>> > first
>>>> > loop
>>>> > is outside loop and 1st vertical segment starts past center.Of course
>>> swap
>>>> > left and right for opposite flying direction.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim Ivey
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> > From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
>>>> > To: "NSRCA" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:08 PM
>>>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi All,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Does the Square horizontal 8 start at center or just past center?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >> Jason
>>>> >> www.jasonshulman.com
>>>> >> www.shulmanaviation.com
>>>> >> www.composite-arf.com
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