[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8

[Lance Van Nostrand]

Don,

Since it is the point of this list to be nitpicky, let me say that when the 
plane is inverted at center it is at a point that it will never return to, 
therefore the actual center can not be the start of the manuver.  Granted, 
the center is part of the straight line that begins and ends all manuvers, 
but it is not part of the actual figure 8.  So to be complete, judging 
starts 15m before the exit of the final radius and ends 15m after this 
point. This encompases the center but is not the actual beginning and 
ending.

As for Stuart's comment, I think any downgrade applied to what the airplane 
does when it is in "no man's land" falls in the smoothness and Gracefulness 
category and should be minimal.  ("no man's land" exists between some 
manuvers that are far apart where the prior manuver and its 15m exit line 
end, but there is a long space before the 15m entry line of the next 
manuver.)

--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Ramsey (CoxNet)" <don.ramsey at cox.net>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8


> Lance,
>
> I believe it starts at center. Straight line before center and start at
> center.  The reason I say that is rule 14.1 which says "Each time the 
> model
> passes before the judges, a maneuver is executed, except after takeoff and
> landing."  Of course, some maneuvers start before center as the slow roll,
> etc. As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters.
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
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>
>
>> Lance
>> You will have to have a entry line before the push to vertical past
>> center.This is where I think it starts... at the start of the entry line.
>>
>> Jim Ivey
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at comcast.net>
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>>
>>
>>> OK,so where does the manuver begin and end?  At center, the radius after
>>> center, at the first corner initiation?
>>>
>>> --Lance
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
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>>> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>>>
>>>
>>> > Jason
>>> > The way we are flying the 8 is enter inverted and 1st loop (outside) 
>>> > to
>>> > the
>>> > right of center and next (inside) loop to the left of center.The first
>>> > loop
>>> > is outside loop and 1st vertical segment starts past center.Of course
>> swap
>>> > left and right for opposite flying direction.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jim Ivey
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
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>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:08 PM
>>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi All,
>>> >>
>>> >> Does the Square horizontal 8 start at center or just past center?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Jason
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