[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8

[jivey61 at bellsouth.net]

All
If the maneuver starts at center,then we fly 2 of the same segments of the
outside portion of the "8". The inverted horizontal portion just before the
first vertical and the last inverted horizontal portion just before the
first vertical. Note below taken from NSRCA judging page....maneuver
properties:..begin and end with a straight line....... To me this says the
maneuver starts at the entry line which is before the first vertical and
ends after the exit line just after the first vertical point. The maneuver
is still centered equally on either side of center.

Jim Ivey



   General Judging Guidelines

Page maintained by Don Ramsey.  Please email me with any problems, comments
or suggestions.

"All centered maneuvers should have these properties unless otherwise
defined in the maneuver description or in that maneuver's downgrades.  Learn
these and you have an excellent start toward becoming a better judge.
Maneuver properties:"

 -  Begin and end with a straight line   -  Rolls centered on lines
 -  Middle of the maneuver centered
      on the judges   -  Roll rates the same
 -  Lines of equal length   -  Loops round
 -  Radiuses equal   -  Done within 175 meters
 -  Begin and end at the same altitude







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Chale" <schale at optonline.net>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8


> " As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters.
> Don"
>
> What Don said is probably true.  Agreed there is a long inverted flight
> before the first push to vertical in the horizontal eight and after the
> humpty bump.  If someone is weaving, or changing altitude during this
> portion, the judge is going to downgrade one of the two maneuvers.  I
would
> think if there was a reasonable straight and level after the humpty then
the
> rest is judged on the horizontal eight.  Do we really have segments of
> flight that should not be judged or added to a downgrade for anything but
> straight and level?
>
> Stuart Chale
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey
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> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:40 PM
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>
> Lance,
>
> I believe it starts at center. Straight line before center and start at
> center.  The reason I say that is rule 14.1 which says "Each time the
model
> passes before the judges, a maneuver is executed, except after takeoff and
> landing."  Of course, some maneuvers start before center as the slow roll,
> etc. As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters.
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
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> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
>
>
> > Lance
> > You will have to have a entry line before the push to vertical past
> > center.This is where I think it starts... at the start of the entry
line.
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at comcast.net>
> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
> >
> >
> >> OK,so where does the manuver begin and end?  At center, the radius
after
> >> center, at the first corner initiation?
> >>
> >> --Lance
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
> >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
> >>
> >>
> >> > Jason
> >> > The way we are flying the 8 is enter inverted and 1st loop (outside)
to
> >> > the
> >> > right of center and next (inside) loop to the left of center.The
first
> >> > loop
> >> > is outside loop and 1st vertical segment starts past center.Of course
> > swap
> >> > left and right for opposite flying direction.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jim Ivey
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> >> > To: "NSRCA" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:08 PM
> >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Hi All,
> >> >>
> >> >> Does the Square horizontal 8 start at center or just past center?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Jason
> >> >> www.jasonshulman.com
> >> >> www.shulmanaviation.com
> >> >> www.composite-arf.com
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