[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?

[John Pavlick]

Larry,
 You're "new' so you don't know what you're starting (I'm warning you). Make
sure your flame suit is on now... <VBG>

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com



  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Larry
  Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:31 PM
  To: patternrules at earthlink.net; NSRCA Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?


  Hi Steve,

  That's pretty much what everyone tells me so far, but it doesn't sit quite
rite. Makes me feel like I will be cheating and getting away with it because
no one checks.

  It also seems like there is a double standard here and that the rules need
to be re-evaluated.

  A glow plane that weighs 5kg empty will definitely have a take off weight
HIGHER than mine and yet it would be legal and I am not. It might even have
a landing weight higher than mine depending on the size of the tank and
length of the routine.

  I wonder if anyone is looking at this as more and more electrics are
getting into all aspects of the hobby.

  I just saw in the Apr Kfactor in the D8 column, someone did a conversion
and has similar issues - slightly over the 5KG limit with batteries
installed.

  It seems to me that batteries should be considered "fuel" and not count
towards the total weight OR that take off weight should be the determining
factor.

  Ofcourse, as I said, I am a 100% newbie here. Haven't even flown in one
contest yet :)

  Larry
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Steven Maxwell
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?


     I wouldn't worry about the weight. A little story to go along with
that. At the 1984 Tangerine, one of the 3 top rated contest in the conutry
then (Nat's and Rough River) my last conest as a sportsman thats when we had
novice,I was winning by a slight margin, the last round on Sunday I got beat
out of first by .07 point, so I got second, the 3rd place guy said that the
winner had an illegal airplane, slightly over weight, and wanted me to
protest, I told him that the guy beat me flying not because he had an
overweight plane, and that if he wanted to protest do it his self, he didn't
and the ending was finaI. I had already talked to the guy and he said his
self that it probably was over weight, real nice about it (EU1A) not the
first one of those that didn't make weight.
     So the story goes I don't remember either of the persons names, I do
remember it as a fond memory, but I bet nobody can give me either persons
names, 22 years later. My first journey to a big contest with no one along
for the ride or to fly, just me it was a ball.
     So don't worry about unless you plane on placing at Nats then you need
to make weight.

    Steven Maxwell


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Larry
      To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
      Sent: 5/13/2006 10:34:53 PM
      Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?


      Hi all,

      I am brand new to NSRCA and pattern flying in general. I am planning
to attend my first ever event later this month.

      I noticed in the rules that the weight limit is 5Kg without fuel.

      How does this apply as far as electric powered planes are concerned?
Are the batteries considered the fuel?

      I am asking because my plane is a Quest 90 G2 converted to electric
power and it weighs 4.04 Kg "dry" (no batteries) but it weighs 5.33 Kg fully
"fueled" with batteries installed.

      I have asked about this on RC Groups and been told not to worry, no
one weighs planes except at the NATS.

      Has there been any official word on this? I don't want to feel like
I'm cheating in a contest or "getting away" with something.

      Thanks!

      Larry


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