[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
jeffghughes at comcast.net
jeffghughes at comcast.net
Fri Mar 31 11:25:54 AKST 2006
Oh, we're talking about electrics. for a minute I thought we were discussing my OS1.40. I can go to the field, fly four flights as quick as I can refuel and not have to worry about burning down my house in the evening :) Oh, yeah, once a year I have to change the glow plug.
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From: "J.Oddino" <joddino at socal.rr.com>
> It sounds like the real difference is the consistency that eliminates all
> the tweeking with the glow power plants. My brief experience with the Webra
> 160 showed my time on the ground trying to get in the air was long compared
> to the time in the air. Once I got in the air it was great but I couldn't
> stand the before and after.
>
> Jim O
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Strickland"
> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
>
> > I would put the wings on and batteries in at the car, lug it, another set
> of
> > batts, and the transmitter out to the flightline, fly, remove that set,
> put
> > in the second, run the first set to the car to charge, fly, remove the
> > second set, put in the third, run the second set to the car, bitch that
> the
> > first set wasn't quite done, fly, take the third set out, run to the car,
> > exchange the first set for the second set, install the first again and
> fly,
> > take the airplane and trans back to the car, remove wings, load and go
> home.
> > Several times from the time I left work and the time I got home was right
> at
> > 2 hours total and the field is roughly 20 mins away to and from. 4 flts
> in
> > about an hour and 15 mins. with 3 sets at 1C charge rate. 5 flts would
> > start to stretch things out. I left the scene about the time balancing
> > started to hit stride. At 1.5 C you could get 5-6 in 2hours or so. No
> > field box, tools, fuel, starter, paper towels and Windex, extra trips to
> the
> > car to get going; no clean up and hauling it all back to the car. Of
> > course, there were more social evenings that took more time-but if I was
> 'on
> > a mission' to practice with limited time, the guys understood. BTW, the
> > Hackers and Master controllers did just fine temperature wise. Things
> > seemed so reliable in that department that I had asked Hacker how long b4
> I
> > have to do some service on the motor and gearbox-they said to send it back
> > about every 300 flts and they'd clean and regrease the gear-set, replace
> if
> > needed(15.00), and the motor would run almost indefinitely. With the
> > exception of installing the wings, it's like flying foamies-you do the
> same
> > stuff-just a little bigger. Speaking of Chip, I noticed he processed 5
> sets
> > at the Worlds'. Man, that's livin'! A small red Honda may be in my
> > future....
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J.Oddino
> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:47 PM
> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >
> > Richard, can you explain why you got so many more flights in a given
> amount
> > of field time. Less tinkering or what? I've heard Chip make similar
> > comments.
> >
> > Jim O
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Strickland"
> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> >
> >
> > > There is a World of difference between a sport flyer and a pattern guy.
> > > Again, once I got programmed in what it took to practice and the
> > relatively
> > > small amount of time it took, I was able to go out and get 35-50 flights
> a
> > > week-I 'found' 1 1/2 to 2 hours more often as opposed to the 3-4 it used
> > to
> > > take and practiced more. At that rate, when a guy gives you a 6 mo.
> > > guarantee-he'd better know the score-and what you expect in service
> > > turn-around. Unlike a sport guy who flies 3-8 or so flights a weekend
> > where
> > > a 6 mo. guarantee would be reasonable. I think many of the folks who
> are
> > in
> > > the battery business go from their experience as sport flyers and not
> > fairly
> > > serious pattern fiends where practice-practice-practice is such a large
> > > component of probable success.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart
> > Chale
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:27 AM
> > > To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> > >
> > > George has been quick with email responses and very courteous, but it
> > > doesn't seem like he has the answers either. I can't find his original
> > > email but he was unable to say that there are people with over 100
> cycles
> > on
> > > a pack. He is convinced that their technology is better than TP but
> will
> > > that translate into a longer life span? It seems like we are being
> asked
> > to
> > > test batteries for the manufacturers instead of them testing their
> > products
> > > under our conditions.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl
> Haury
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58 AM
> > > To: chad at f3acanada.org; NSRCA Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> > >
> > > Chad
> > >
> > > Your questions are probably best answered by Falcon
> > > George at FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find George quite open
> > with
> > >
> > > info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his answers.
> > >
> > > Earl
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chad Northeast"
> > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> > >
> > >
> > > > Earl
> > > >
> > > > Does the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers defects...or will
> > they
> > >
> > > > replace any abuse/over charged/overdischarge/cycled out pack?
> > > >
> > > > I can't honestly believe that a manufacturer will replace every pack
> > that
> > > > fails, or they will be out of business in a short period of time :)
> If
> > > > that is the case I can buy 4 sets of packs and never again purchase
> > > > another battery for as long as they will supply them regardless of
> > usage.
> > > >
> > > > Just looking for some clarification on their warranty statement.
> > > >
> > > > Do you know who is making the cells? Their other packs are APL I
> > > > believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like Apogee/Tanic/Flight
> > > > Power) did for the higher C cells.
> > > >
> > > > Chad
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Grow Pattern
> > > > Date: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> > > >
> > > >> Earl,
> > > >> You raise a very interesting point, What is sponsored?
> > > >>
> > > >> I used to think it was either that you got paid to fly by a
> > > >> manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your equipment
> > > >> free. But
> > > >> what if, for example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI ,or
> > > >> free fuel
> > > >> etc. Or another would be that you bought and built a plane but
> > > >> your
> > > >> batteries were post gratis.
> > > >>
> > > >> This could be harder to define than a pattern snap-roll. Hmmmm?
> > > >>
> > > >> To be clear to the potentially-paranoid-pattern-people", I am
> > > >> interested
> > > >> for my own edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked my
> > > >> opinion on
> > > >> certain subjects and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinion :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> I would also add that many of the responses to the electric issues
> > > >> that I
> > > >> have raised have given me a much better and more balanced view
> > > >> than the one
> > > >> I had a few months ago.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, thanks in advance,
> > > >>
> > > >> Eric.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Earl Haury"
> > > >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Stuart
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set 18
> > > >> on the
> > > >> > other.
> > > >> > So far they've been fine, very little (if any) balancing
> > > >> activity. Don't
> > > >> > have any idea what the cycle life will be - only time will tell.
> > > >> As the
> > > >> > weather improves, opportunity for more flying will accelerate cycle
> > > >> > accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no need to exercise their
> > > >> > warranty, but it's a nice feature.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Just so there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data to
> > > >> help
> > > >> > Falcon
> > > >> > define the pack parameters and received a bit of a discount
> > > >> (that local
> > > >> > sales tax mitigated) for that work. Don't know if that's considered
> > > >> > "sponsored", but I'm using them because they work and Falcon
> > > >> provides> excellent service. (I understand that they had some
> > > >> website problems
> > > >> > recently, if anyone has problems with it - a phone call will work.)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Earl
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Stuart Chale"
> > > >> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM
> > > >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Is anyone using the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the K-
> > > >> Factor? Is
> > > >> >> there
> > > >> >> any track record behind them?
> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > >> >> Stuart
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
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