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<DIV>Oh, we're talking about electrics. for a minute I thought we were discussing my OS1.40. I can go to the field, fly four flights as quick as I can refuel and not have to worry about burning down my house in the evening :) Oh, yeah, once a year I have to change the glow plug.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "J.Oddino" <joddino@socal.rr.com> <BR><BR>> It sounds like the real difference is the consistency that eliminates all <BR>> the tweeking with the glow power plants. My brief experience with the Webra <BR>> 160 showed my time on the ground trying to get in the air was long compared <BR>> to the time in the air. Once I got in the air it was great but I couldn't <BR>> stand the before and after. <BR>> <BR>> Jim O <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Richard Strickland" <RICHARD.S@ALLIED-CALLAWAY.COM><BR>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:02 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > I would put the wings on and batteries in at the car, lug it, another set <BR>> of <BR>> > batts, and the transmitter out to the flightline, fly, remove that set, <BR>> put <BR>> > in the second, run the first set to the car to charge, fly, remove the <BR>> > second set, put in the third, run the second set to the car, bitch that <BR>> the <BR>> > first set wasn't quite done, fly, take the third set out, run to the car, <BR>> > exchange the first set for the second set, install the first again and <BR>> fly, <BR>> > take the airplane and trans back to the car, remove wings, load and go <BR>> home. <BR>> > Several times from the time I left work and the time I got home was right <BR>> at <BR>> > 2 hours total and the field is roughly 20 mins away to and from. 4 flts <BR>> in <BR>> > about an hour and 15 mins. with 3 sets at 1C charge rate. 5 flts would <BR>> > start to stretch things out. I left the scene about the time balancing <BR>> > started to hit stride. At 1.5 C you could get 5-6 in 2hours or so. No <BR>> > fiel
d box, tools, fuel, starter, paper towels and Windex, extra trips to <BR>> the <BR>> > car to get going; no clean up and hauling it all back to the car. Of <BR>> > course, there were more social evenings that took more time-but if I was <BR>> 'on <BR>> > a mission' to practice with limited time, the guys understood. BTW, the <BR>> > Hackers and Master controllers did just fine temperature wise. Things <BR>> > seemed so reliable in that department that I had asked Hacker how long b4 <BR>> I <BR>> > have to do some service on the motor and gearbox-they said to send it back <BR>> > about every 300 flts and they'd clean and regrease the gear-set, replace <BR>> if <BR>> > needed(15.00), and the motor would run almost indefinitely. With the <BR>> > exception of installing the wings, it's like flying foamies-you do the <BR>> same <BR>> > stuff-just a little bigger. Speaking of Chip, I noticed he processed 5 <BR>> sets <BR>> > at the Worlds'. Man, that's livin'! A small red Honda may be in my <BR>> > future.... <BR>> > <BR>> > Richard <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J.Oddino <BR>> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:47 PM <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > <BR>> > Richard, can you explain why you got so many more flights in a given <BR>> amount <BR>> > of field time. Less tinkering or what? I've heard Chip make similar <BR>> > comments. <BR>> > <BR>> > Jim O <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Richard Strickland" <RICHARD.S@ALLIED-CALLAWAY.COM><BR>> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:17 AM <BR>> > Subj
ect: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > > There is a World of difference between a sport flyer and a pattern guy. <BR>> > > Again, once I got programmed in what it took to practice and the <BR>> > relatively <BR>> > > small amount of time it took, I was able to go out and get 35-50 flights <BR>> a <BR>> > > week-I 'found' 1 1/2 to 2 hours more often as opposed to the 3-4 it used <BR>> > to <BR>> > > take and practiced more. At that rate, when a guy gives you a 6 mo. <BR>> > > guarantee-he'd better know the score-and what you expect in service <BR>> > > turn-around. Unlike a sport guy who flies 3-8 or so flights a weekend <BR>> > where <BR>> > > a 6 mo. guarantee would be reasonable. I think many of the folks who <BR>> are <BR>> > in <BR>> > > the battery business go from their experience as sport flyers and not <BR>> > fairly <BR>> > > serious pattern fiends where practice-practice-practice is such a large <BR>> > > component of probable success. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Richard <BR>> > > <BR>> > > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart <BR>> > Chale <BR>> > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:27 AM <BR>> > > To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <BR>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > > <BR>> > > George has been quick with email responses and very courteous, but it <BR>> > > doesn't seem like he has the answers either. I can't find his original <BR>> > > email but he was unable to say that there are people with over 100 <BR>> cycles <BR>> > on <BR>> > > a pack. He is convinced that their technology is better than TP but <BR>> will <BR>> > > that tra
nslate into a longer life span? It seems like we are being <BR>> asked <BR>> > to <BR>> > > test batteries for the manufacturers instead of them testing their <BR>> > products <BR>> > > under our conditions. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Stuart <BR>> > > <BR>> > > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl <BR>> Haury <BR>> > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58 AM <BR>> > > To: chad@f3acanada.org; NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Chad <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Your questions are probably best answered by Falcon <BR>> > > George@FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find George quite open <BR>> > with <BR>> > > <BR>> > > info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his answers. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Earl <BR>> > > <BR>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > From: "Chad Northeast" <CHADNORTHEAST@SHAW.CA><BR>> > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM <BR>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > > Earl <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Does the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers defects...or will <BR>> > they <BR>> > > <BR>> > > > replace any abuse/over charged/overdischarge/cycled out pack? <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > I can't honestly believe that a manufacturer will replace every pack <BR>> > that <BR>> > > > fails, or they will be out of business in a short period of time :) <BR>> If <BR>> > > > that is the case I can buy 4 sets of pac
ks and never again purchase <BR>> > > > another battery for as long as they will supply them regardless of <BR>> > usage. <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Just looking for some clarification on their warranty statement. <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Do you know who is making the cells? Their other packs are APL I <BR>> > > > believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like Apogee/Tanic/Flight <BR>> > > > Power) did for the higher C cells. <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Chad <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > > From: Grow Pattern <PATTERN4U@COMCAST.NET><BR>> > > > Date: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am <BR>> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > >> Earl, <BR>> > > >> You raise a very interesting point, What is sponsored? <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> I used to think it was either that you got paid to fly by a <BR>> > > >> manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your equipment <BR>> > > >> free. But <BR>> > > >> what if, for example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI ,or <BR>> > > >> free fuel <BR>> > > >> etc. Or another would be that you bought and built a plane but <BR>> > > >> your <BR>> > > >> batteries were post gratis. <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> This could be harder to define than a pattern snap-roll. Hmmmm? <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> To be clear to the potentially-paranoid-pattern-people", I am <BR>> > > >> interested <BR>> > > >> for my own edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked my <BR>> > > >> opinion on <BR>> > > >> certain subjects and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinio
n :-) <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> I would also add that many of the responses to the electric issues <BR>> > > >> that I <BR>> > > >> have raised have given me a much better and more balanced view <BR>> > > >> than the one <BR>> > > >> I had a few months ago. <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> So, thanks in advance, <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> Eric. <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > >> From: "Earl Haury" <EHAURY@HOUSTON.RR.COM><BR>> > > >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM <BR>> > > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> > Stuart <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > I'm using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set 18 <BR>> > > >> on the <BR>> > > >> > other. <BR>> > > >> > So far they've been fine, very little (if any) balancing <BR>> > > >> activity. Don't <BR>> > > >> > have any idea what the cycle life will be - only time will tell. <BR>> > > >> As the <BR>> > > >> > weather improves, opportunity for more flying will accelerate cycle <BR>> > > >> > accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no need to exercise their <BR>> > > >> > warranty, but it's a nice feature. <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > Just so there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data to <BR>> > > >> help <BR>> > > >> > Falcon <BR>> > > >> > define the pack parameters and received a bit of a discount <BR>>
; > > >> (that local <BR>> > > >> > sales tax mitigated) for that work. Don't know if that's considered <BR>> > > >> > "sponsored", but I'm using them because they work and Falcon <BR>> > > >> provides> excellent service. (I understand that they had some <BR>> > > >> website problems <BR>> > > >> > recently, if anyone has problems with it - a phone call will work.) <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > Earl <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > >> > From: "Stuart Chale" <SCHALE@OPTONLINE.NET><BR>> > > >> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM <BR>> > > >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> >> Is anyone using the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the K- <BR>> > > >> Factor? Is <BR>> > > >> >> there <BR>> > > >> >> any track record behind them? <BR>> > > >> >> Thanks, <BR>> > > >> >> Stuart <BR>> > > >> >> <BR>> > > >> >> <BR>> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ <BR>> > > >> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list <BR>> > > >> >> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> > > >> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion <BR>> > > >> >> <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > <BR>> > > >> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > >
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