[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries

Thu Mar 30 10:18:35 AKST 2006

"There is a World of difference between a sport flyer and a pattern guy."

Amen to that - pattern types will definitely use batts more. On the other 
hand - the batts will likely be used more carefully. The sport guys often 
run batts until they're smoking dead on each flight - the question most 
often ask of my E pattern set-up is "how long can you fly?"- of course my 
answer is "long enough". I suspect most pattern folks pay attention to max 
current, temps, discharge level, balance, and use better chargers - the 
price of this stuff demands care.

Earl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries

> There is a World of difference between a sport flyer and a pattern guy.
> Again, once I got programmed in what it took to practice and the 
> relatively
> small amount of time it took, I was able to go out and get 35-50 flights a
> week-I 'found' 1 1/2 to 2 hours more often as opposed to the 3-4 it used 
> to
> take and practiced more.  At that rate, when a guy gives you a 6 mo.
> guarantee-he'd better know the score-and what you expect in service
> turn-around.  Unlike a sport guy who flies 3-8 or so flights a weekend 
> where
> a 6 mo. guarantee would be reasonable.  I think many of the folks who are 
> in
> the battery business go from their experience as sport flyers and not 
> fairly
> serious pattern fiends where practice-practice-practice is such a large
> component of probable success.
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]  On Behalf Of Stuart 
> Chale
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:27 AM
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
> George has been quick with email responses and very courteous, but it
> doesn't seem like he has the answers either.  I can't find his original
> email but he was unable to say that there are people with over 100 cycles 
> on
> a pack.  He is convinced that their technology is better than TP but will
> that translate into a longer life span?  It seems like we are being asked 
> to
> test batteries for the manufacturers instead of them testing their 
> products
> under our conditions.
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl Haury
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58 AM
> To: chad at f3acanada.org; NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
> Chad
>
> Your questions are probably best answered by Falcon
> George at FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find George quite open 
> with
>
> info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his answers.
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chad Northeast" <chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>
>
>> Earl
>>
>> Does the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers defects...or will 
>> they
>
>> replace any abuse/over charged/overdischarge/cycled out pack?
>>
>> I can't honestly believe that a manufacturer will replace every pack that
>> fails, or they will be out of business in a short period of time :)  If
>> that is the case I can buy 4 sets of packs and never again purchase
>> another battery for as long as they will supply them regardless of usage.
>>
>> Just looking for some clarification on their warranty statement.
>>
>> Do you know who is making the cells?  Their other packs are APL I
>> believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like Apogee/Tanic/Flight
>> Power) did for the higher C cells.
>>
>> Chad
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Grow Pattern <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> Date: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>
>>> Earl,
>>>         You raise a very interesting point, What is sponsored?
>>>
>>> I used to think it was either that you got paid to fly by a
>>> manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your equipment
>>> free. But
>>> what if, for example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI ,or
>>> free fuel
>>> etc. Or another would be that you bought and built a plane but
>>> your
>>> batteries were post gratis.
>>>
>>> This could be harder to define than a pattern snap-roll. Hmmmm?
>>>
>>> To be clear to the potentially-paranoid-pattern-people",  I am
>>> interested
>>> for my own edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked my
>>> opinion on
>>> certain subjects and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinion :-)
>>>
>>> I would also add that many of the responses to the electric issues
>>> that I
>>> have raised have given me a much better and more balanced view
>>> than the one
>>> I had a few months ago.
>>>
>>> So, thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>>
>>>
>>> > Stuart
>>> >
>>> > I'm using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set 18
>>> on the
>>> > other.
>>> > So far they've been fine, very little (if any) balancing
>>> activity. Don't
>>> > have any idea what the cycle life will be - only time will tell.
>>> As the
>>> > weather improves, opportunity for more flying will accelerate cycle
>>> > accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no need to exercise their
>>> > warranty, but it's a nice feature.
>>> >
>>> > Just so there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data to
>>> help
>>> > Falcon
>>> > define the pack parameters and received a bit of a discount
>>> (that local
>>> > sales tax mitigated) for that work. Don't know if that's considered
>>> > "sponsored", but I'm using them because they work and Falcon
>>> provides> excellent service. (I understand that they had some
>>> website problems
>>> > recently, if anyone has problems with it - a phone call will work.)
>>> >
>>> > Earl
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Stuart Chale" <schale at optonline.net>
>>> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM
>>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Is anyone using the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the K-
>>> Factor?  Is
>>> >> there
>>> >> any track record behind them?
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Stuart
>>> >>
>>> >>
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