[NSRCA-discussion] Brit Air Engine out Atlantic Crossing
Bill Glaze
billglaze at triad.rr.com
Thu Mar 30 10:02:54 AKST 2006
I'm not familiar with the specifics, but on an international trip, if the aircraft departs or arrives in U.S. airspace, the FAA gets involved in safety issues. I note that this is a safety issue, and, normally, FAA isn't interested in legislative or monetary issues like lost compensation. (Why should they be? They don't have to make a profit anyway. And, getting them out of the money stream isn't a bad idea, either)
I would say that, if BA wasn't able to pull some strings, the Captain could find himself in deep kim-she.
The incident I was thinking about happened when a cross-ship cross-feed froze shut, and fuel starvation resulted in a one-engine landing at the old Tokyo airport, which had a particularly nasty approach, I've been told. A friend of mine also happened to be the engineer on that particular situation also. He was a retired Captain, and came back to fly as Second Officer (Flt. Engineer) and was doing so when the incident took place.
Bill Glaze
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Below is a clip of the event I had recalled -
Later, Ron
>...A BRITISH AIRWAYS jumbo jet carrying 351 passengers was forced to make an emergency landing after an 11-hour transatlantic flight with a failed engine.
The fault occurred on take-off from Los Angeles but the pilot declined all opportunities to land in the US and instead continued on three engines for 5,000 miles to Britain.
The incident happened three days after a European regulation came into force requiring airlines to compensate passengers for long delays or cancellations. Under the new rules, if the pilot had returned to Los Angeles, BA would have been facing a compensation bill of more than £100,000...<
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From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
No, Ron, that was a crossfeed situation with the destination being HKG. Entirely different deal.
Bill Glaze
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Do I recall correctly - was that the case where the aiplane got into an
emergency fuel situation prior to arrival at destination?
Ron Lockhart
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From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard at gmail.com>
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That's called the "placebo effect"; a story Boeing made up just to get pilots to fly their airplanes . . .
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Just kidding!! They make great airplanes. . . British Airways B-747 lost an engine on the LAX - Heathrow flight soon after takeoff. They continued the flight across the U.S. and Atlantic to complete the flight. Great marks for the airplane and BA customer service - as for judgement, I don't know. . .
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On 3/30/06, Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com> wrote:
In United's school, we were told, as an aside and a pure point of interest, that after functional testing on the 747, the test team was given the order "test to destruction" on the wing. It was pulled upward until the tips were about 6' apart before there was a "catastrophic failure."(!!) At least, that's what the school told us. I was in 767 school at the time.
Bill Glaze
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Wayne,
Oh yeah babe, isn't that a kick? A 10 year old being introduced to the fine art of balsa structure and mechanical engineering design. Fabulous!!
Give that teacher a bonus.
Digressing a bit from the Balsa theme, Warren trusses, IF I remember right, are basis for airliner spars among other things. Several years ago, as a key supplier to Boeing, we had opportunity to witness the triple 7 spar test where the wing was folded to determine g-loading capability. Impressive test.
Matt
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Sent: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:35:57 -0600
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Matt,
My son did his 5th grade science project using balsa construction. His project was to determine what bridge truss design held the most weight for a given span. It was truly amazing how much weight the structure would hold. The spans he built where 7"x7"x24" and weighted 1.5 oz, made of 1/4" square med grade balsa glued together with thin c/a. The Warren truss held 42 lbs before collapsing and the two other structures were close behind holding 32 to 38 lbs. It was a learning experience for both of us. It gave me a better understanding of how certain truss structure builds stiffness, strength and be light weight.
Wayne Galligan
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Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:58 PM
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Balsa is pretty amazing stuff overall, particularly for a natural material. The Xylem that makes up much of the superstructure of any wood (that's what we commonly hear as grain), is essentially a huge number of tubes arrayed side by side, but interconnected along the length. The tubes serve a terrific function in the long direction and the interconnects make the structure have reasonable transverse strength as well.
The closest thing manmade that will surpass it in terms of mechanical strength vs flex vs weight vs cost will likely be Buckytube if you excluded the cost. That's just in laboratories now, being made in very small quantities supporting very high end applications. This stuff is the true unobtainium that some have complained about. But that's another subject.
There used to be an annual competition in colleges where a very small, known quantity of balsa and glue were used creatively by students to build some kind of support structure like a small bridge. These things would hold unbelievable amounts of weight.
Alas, the weakness is shock loading.
Matt
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From: Adam Glatt <adam.g at sasktel.net>
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Sent: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:44:02 -0600
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Not directly applicable to pattern, but certainly a good start:
Buy and build a Stevens Aeromodel kit. The planes are small (35-50"
span, 1-2.5lbs) and electric powered. I'm about 1/2 done building the
Edge 540, and am actually enjoying the build because I am constantly in
awe of the genius wood design and its results (consider that this Edge
540 is 40-sized, but will weigh only 2lbs with more performance than all
but the most dedicated 40-sized 3D glow planes).
-Adam
White, Chris wrote:
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> Can anyone tell me where a person can get a "Crash" course in learning
> about balsa weights and strength and its proper use in balsa pattern
> models.
>
> I notice a few years ago that in the 99 world champs most of the
> Japanese pilots models were balsa and light weight too. It seems that
> everything I read of late seems to indicate that light weight and
> strength only come with composite construction.
>
> Thanks..Chris
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