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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I'm not familiar with the specifics, but on an
international trip, if the aircraft departs or arrives in U.S. airspace, the FAA
gets involved in safety issues. I note that this is a safety issue, and,
normally, FAA isn't interested in legislative or monetary issues like lost
compensation. (Why should they be? They don't have to make a profit
anyway. And, getting them out of the money stream isn't a bad idea,
either)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would say that, if BA wasn't able to pull some strings,
the Captain could find himself in deep kim-she.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The incident I was thinking about happened when a
cross-ship cross-feed froze shut, and fuel starvation resulted in a one-engine
landing at the old Tokyo airport, which had a particularly nasty approach, I've
been told. A friend of mine also happened to be the engineer on that
particular situation also. He was a retired Captain, and came back to fly
as Second Officer (Flt. Engineer) and was doing so when the incident took
place.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:42
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brit Air
Engine out Atlantic Crossing</DIV>
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is a clip of the event I had recalled -</SPAN></P>
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Ron</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">>...A
BRITISH AIRWAYS jumbo jet carrying 351 passengers was forced to make an
emergency landing after an 11-hour transatlantic flight with a failed engine.
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The fault
occurred on take-off from <st1:City w:st="on">Los Angeles</st1:City> but the
pilot declined all opportunities to land in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on">US</st1:country-region> and instead continued on three engines for
5,000 miles to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Britain</st1:place></st1:country-region>. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
incident happened three days after a European regulation came into force
requiring airlines to compensate passengers for long delays or cancellations.
Under the new rules, if the pilot had returned to <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Los Angeles</st1:place></st1:City>, BA would
have been facing a compensation bill of more than
£100,000...<</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>No, Ron, that was a crossfeed situation with the
destination being HKG. Entirely different deal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:57
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] An
education in balsa usage for pattern</DIV>
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<DIV>Do I recall correctly - was that the case where the aiplane got into
an</DIV>
<DIV>emergency fuel situation prior to arrival at destination?</DIV>
<DIV>Ron Lockhart</DIV>
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<DIV>.</DIV>
<DIV>.</DIV>
<DIV>.</DIV>
<DIV>That's called the "placebo effect"; a story Boeing made up just
to get pilots to fly their airplanes . . .</DIV>
<DIV>.</DIV>
<DIV>Just kidding!! They make great airplanes. . . British Airways
B-747 lost an engine on the LAX - Heathrow flight soon after
takeoff. They continued the flight across the U.S. and Atlantic to
complete the flight. Great marks for the airplane and BA customer
service - as for judgement, I don't know. . . </DIV>
<DIV>.</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 3/30/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Bill
Glaze</B> <<A
href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">billglaze@triad.rr.com</A>>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In United's school, we were told, as an aside
and a pure point of interest, that after functional testing on the
747, the test team was given the order "test to destruction" on the
wing. It was pulled upward until the tips were about 6' apart
before there was a "catastrophic failure."(!!) At least, that's
what the school told us. I was in 767 school at the time.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 29, 2006
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
An education in balsa usage for pattern</DIV>
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<DIV>Wayne, </DIV>
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<DIV>Oh yeah babe, isn't that a kick? A 10 year old being introduced
to the fine art of balsa structure and mechanical engineering design.
Fabulous!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Give that teacher a bonus. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Digressing a bit from the Balsa theme, Warren trusses, IF I
remember right, are basis for airliner spars among other
things. Several years ago, as a key supplier to Boeing, we had
opportunity to witness the triple 7 spar test where the wing was
folded to determine g-loading capability. Impressive test. </DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Wayne
Galligan <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
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target=_blank>wgalligan@goodsonacura.com</A> ><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing
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education in balsa usage for pattern<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My son did his 5th grade science project
using balsa construction. His project was to determine what
bridge truss design held the most weight for a given span. It
was truly amazing how much weight the structure would hold. The
spans he built where 7"x7"x24" and weighted 1.5 oz, made of
1/4" square med grade balsa glued together with thin c/a. The
Warren truss held 42 lbs before collapsing and the two other
structures were close behind holding 32 to 38 lbs. It was a
learning experience for both of us. It gave me a better
understanding of how certain truss structure builds stiffness,
strength and be light weight. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne Galligan</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 28, 2006
6:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
An education in balsa usage for pattern</DIV>
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<DIV>Balsa is pretty amazing stuff overall, particularly for a
natural material. The Xylem that makes up much of the superstructure
of any wood (that's what we commonly hear as grain), is essentially
a huge number of tubes arrayed side by side, but interconnected
along the length. The tubes serve a terrific function in the long
direction and the interconnects make the structure have reasonable
transverse strength as well. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The closest thing manmade that will surpass it in terms of
mechanical strength vs flex vs weight vs cost will likely be
Buckytube if you excluded the cost. That's just in laboratories
now, being made in very small quantities supporting very high
end applications. This stuff is the true unobtainium that some have
complained about. But that's another subject. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There used to be an annual competition in colleges where a very
small, known quantity of balsa and glue were used creatively by
students to build some kind of support structure like a small
bridge. These things would hold unbelievable amounts of weight.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Alas, the weakness is shock loading. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Adam
Glatt <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
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<DIV><PRE><TT>Not directly applicable to pattern, but certainly a good start:
Buy and build a Stevens Aeromodel kit. The planes are small (35-50"
span, 1-2.5lbs) and electric powered. I'm about 1/2 done building the
Edge 540, and am actually enjoying the build because I am constantly in
awe of the genius wood design and its results (consider that this Edge
540 is 40-sized, but will weigh only 2lbs with more performance than all
but the most dedicated 40-sized 3D glow planes).
-Adam
White, Chris wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where a person can get a "Crash" course in learning
> about balsa weights and strength and its proper use in balsa pattern
> models.
>
> I notice a few years ago that in the 99 world champs most of the
> Japanese pilots models were balsa and light weight too. It seems that
> everything I read of late seems to indicate that light weight and
> strength only come with composite construction.
>
> Thanks..Chris
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