[NSRCA-discussion] Reducing the odds...

[rcmaster199 at aol.com]

Although this is one way around a problem from the manufacturer's point of view, it's not really a solution for our application. What I have asked in the past and Earl, Dave and Dean and a couple others have asked also is, and I paraphrase, how do you take advantage of the normal flying envelope to cool the motor, (engine), battery, (pipe)? Then plausible solutions have been developed or described on this forum. 
 
It makes little sense to have all that breeze available and then rely on a silly tiny fan to draw air into the motor. That's just another way to not only rob precious power, it will also cost more money up front for the "improvement". That's not value....it's plain dumb. We need to let these manufacturers know that we are smarter than that, by not buying it. 
 
MattK
 
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From: Rex LESHER <trexlesh at msn.com>
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Guys, some of our grief with cooling outrunner motors is being remedied by the manufacturer.  They are beginning to install fans in the motor to pull air through them....   I believe Plettenburg is now doing this on their Extra 30-10.
 
Rex Lesher
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Matt,
Your missing my point. I have never doubted that a "properly" designed duct can increase cooling. I just doubt that most modelers have  "properly" designed duct work in their planes. The ducts we make increase cooling over not having any duct work, but I've built and flown a lot of planes with engines and motors un-cowled that didn't overheat either! My initial statement was around uncowled outrunner motors. Why not have them up front and exposed? Save a lot of grief and might just look good (or not, it just might look industrial). We as pattern folks always seem to do the harder right, instead of the easier right.
 
Jeff
 
 
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From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 

Jeff, how do you increase air velocity around the motor with no increase in model airspeed? 
Here's where our old friend Bernoulli comes in, stage left. 
 
And BTW, the properly designed ENTRY into and EXIT from the ducting really increases the ducting efficiency. 
 
Cheers,
Matt
 
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While I agree good ducting can be better than hanging out there, I seriously doubt if most modelers do any better than hanging it out. Plus I think an outrunner all polished up woul look pretty cool with the fuse faired into it. 
 
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From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com> 

Good ducting is better than hanging in the breeze, and a whole lot prettier.
 
Dean Pappas 
Sr. Design Engineer 
Kodeos Communications 
111 Corporate Blvd. 
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
(908) 222-7817 phone 
(908) 222-2392 fax 
d.pappas at kodeos.com 
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I was thinking about this the other day. Why don't we change the fuse design to stick the motor out in the breeze? Kind of like a WWI rotary or a foamy.  Seems like we're trying hard to keep the planes identical in design between electrics and fuel for no apparent reasons
 
Also now that huge props and braking are available, will fuselages slim down some?
 
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From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com> 

> Hi Earl, 
> This sounds a whole lot loke the similar duct I have placed around my AXI 
> outrunner. 
> It is astounding how much a difference a real cooling duct makes. 
> Fans inside the motor are a band-aid. The top-down solution is good airflow 
> management. 
> 
> The picture is of the ductwork in the Funtana I am doing for FM. 
> The subject is modifying the plane for high-performance electric. (high heat and 
> RF generation) 
> The airbox in the front of the cowl encloses the front of the motor, 
> and feeds the internals and the 1/8" gap in the duct with high pressure air. 
> 
> 
> later, 
> Dean 
> 
> Dean Pappas 
> 
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