[NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.

[Grow Pattern]

I guess I wasn't clear enough - "Rules proposals are the last thing on my mind".  I'm not part of the NSRCA or AMA rules process in any way whatsoever.

To repeat, the 109 instructions do not say "Do not charge a fully charged pack". The do say it is not recommended. It also says that it will handle an attempt to charge a fully charged pack and shut off the charge after a few minutes. My posts are/were aimed at bringing my event to everyone's attention and preventing further disasters.  

The purpose of my notes were not to draw long-Lockhart-'electric-lectures, but to draw out the failure information that I know has not been shared by the sponsored pilots. You are too new to electric-pattern (electric pattern meaning the bigger electric stuff and not sport park-flyers and foamies) to have accumulated their rap-sheet! You, as an enthusiastic electric newbie, have been vocal, but it was not you that I was looking to hear from.

I'm glad that you finally gave up on your unreliable 2-c's. You missed a lot of Nat's opportunities with your K&B, EFI and Webra trials and tribulations. You can have all of the 2-c expertise in the world but if you chose the wrong powerplants you will not succeed. I often wonder what would have happened if you had stayed with the YS's? After all, you won the Masters title with a YS 4-c!

Ask Todd Blose what it was like after he switched to a power plant that did not require hours of his time and care, just to practice, let alone compete :-)

Do me a favor and try and understand the bigger pattern picture that I portray rather than seeing thing as parochial issues all of the time.

Eric. 


 ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DaveL322 at comcast.net 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.


  Eric,

  With respect to the electrics, the instructions are certainly not perfect or 100% comprehensive, not unlike instructions for any product - but they certainly do note basics as don't charge unattended, don't charge visibly damaged cells, don't charge in a vehicle, etc.  And while reading every post on electrics on all the forums is a bit much to ask for, certainly 4+ years of technical review, evaluation, and use of lipos would reveal info not specifically in all instructions (don't store charged, don't top off (especially with a 109), don't discharge to 3V per cell, etc).

  Understand the folks in pattern land recognize your efforts in the past to "challenge the pattern community" as a way of gathering data to help the event.  We now know you are not exploring a potential rules change associated with electrics, and it is clear you are contemplating sponsorship, but how does electric tie into that anymore so than past/present glow?

  Regards,

  Dave  


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    From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> 

    Jim,
           I'm not anti-electric. But if I reported that I had blown a rod on a YS DZ I perceive that I would get a different reaction than if I report a problem with an electric motor or its set-up. 

    If I succeeded in getting one pilot to take care of their batteries in a safer way then it was worth running the gauntlet of my usual critics on this list.

    Regards,

    Eric.

    BTW - Rules proposals are the last thing on my mind. I'll leave that to the NSRCA board and the survey results etc. Nor would I want to separate pilots. Rewarding private and funded pilots is a different issue.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jim Woodward 
      To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 
      Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:42 AM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.


      Hey Eric,

       

      After your last emails about the charging incident, I was sure you'd follow it up with some sort of rule change proposal.  I was guessing you would start with an outright ban on electrics J, and not a separation of pilots.

       

      Jim

       

      James R. Woodward

      Schroth Safety Products

      Engineering & Customer Support Manager

      1371 SW 8th St. Unit 3

      Pompano Beach, FL 33069

      Cell: (954) 319-0873

       


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      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Grow Pattern
      Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:12 PM
      To: NSRCA Mailing List
      Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.

       

      I have noticed a behavioral change in this discussion list over the years when it comes to electric power. There was always some polarization to Radios and engines etc.

       

      What I noticed most was that the glow era engine owners were very willing to report their engine failures and a whole myriad of engine fixes and preventative medicine.

       

      I still see the latter but not as much of the failure reporting. I put this down to sponsored pilot behavior with all products. I also noted a change at the top. Now most all the pilots are sponsored in one form or another. We always had a few sponsored pilots but now the unsponsored pilot is the exception.

       

      Maybe it is time to have a Pro-Am separation in the awards?

       

      I also noticed that the list does a lot more advertising/selling that it was ever intended to. That may be or not may be a good thing.

       

      Judging by my off-list in-box a lot of folks do not post on the list what they think for fear of retributional responses. "Nil illegitium carborundom men!"

       

      Regards,


      Eric. 
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