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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess I wasn't clear enough - "Rules proposals
are the last thing on my mind". I'm not part of the NSRCA or AMA
rules process in any way whatsoever.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To repeat, the 109 instructions do not say "Do not
charge a fully charged pack". The do say it is not recommended. It also says
that it will handle an attempt to charge a fully charged pack and shut off the
charge after a few minutes. My posts are/were aimed at bringing my event to
everyone's attention and preventing further disasters. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The purpose of my notes were not to draw
long-Lockhart-'electric-lectures, but to draw out the failure information that I
know has not been shared by the sponsored pilots. You are too new to
electric-pattern (electric pattern meaning the bigger electric stuff and
not sport park-flyers and foamies) to have accumulated their rap-sheet!
You, as an enthusiastic electric newbie, have been vocal, but it was not you
that I was looking to hear from.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm glad that you finally gave up on your
unreliable 2-c's. You missed a lot of Nat's opportunities with your K&B, EFI
and Webra trials and tribulations. You can have all of the 2-c expertise in the
world but if you chose the wrong powerplants you will not succeed. I often
wonder what would have happened if you had stayed with the YS's? After all, you
won the Masters title with a YS 4-c!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ask Todd Blose what it was like after he switched
to a power plant that did not require hours of his time and care, just to
practice, let alone compete :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do me a favor and try and understand the bigger
pattern picture that I portray rather than seeing thing as parochial issues
all of the time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 27, 2006 12:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing
list behavior.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Eric,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With respect to the electrics, the instructions are certainly not
perfect or 100% comprehensive, not unlike instructions for any product - but
they certainly do note basics as don't charge unattended, don't charge visibly
damaged cells, don't charge in a vehicle, etc. And while reading
every post on electrics on all the forums is a bit much to ask for,
certainly 4+ years of technical review, evaluation, and use
of lipos would reveal info not specifically in all instructions (don't
store charged, don't top off (especially with a 109), don't discharge to 3V
per cell, etc).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Understand the folks in pattern land recognize your efforts in the
past to "challenge the pattern community" as a way of gathering data to help
the event. We now know you are not exploring a potential rules
change associated with electrics, and it is clear you are
contemplating sponsorship, but how does electric tie into that anymore so
than past/present glow?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I'm not
anti-electric. But if I reported that I had blown a rod on a YS DZ
I perceive that I would get a different reaction than if I
report a problem with an electric motor or its set-up. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I succeeded in getting one pilot to take
care of their batteries in a safer way then it was worth running the
gauntlet of my usual critics on this list.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW - Rules proposals are the last thing
on my mind. I'll leave that to the NSRCA board and the survey results etc.
Nor would I want to separate pilots. Rewarding private and funded pilots is
a different issue.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jim.woodward@schroth.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@schroth.com">Jim Woodward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 27, 2006 7:42
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Changing list behavior.</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">After your last
emails about the charging incident, I was sure you’d follow it up with
some sort of rule change proposal. I was guessing you would start
with an outright ban on electrics </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, and not a
separation of pilots.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Grow Pattern<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:12
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Changing
list behavior.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have noticed a behavioral
change in this discussion list over the years when it comes to electric
power. There was always some polarization to Radios and engines
etc.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I noticed most was
that the glow era engine owners were very willing to report their engine
failures and a whole myriad of engine fixes and preventative
medicine.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I still see the latter but not
as much of the failure reporting. I put this down to sponsored pilot
behavior with all products. I also noted a change at the top. Now most
all the pilots are sponsored in one form or another. We always had a
few sponsored pilots but now the unsponsored pilot is the
exception.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe it is time to have a
Pro-Am separation in the awards?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also noticed that the
list does a lot more advertising/selling that it was ever intended to.
That may be or not may be a good thing.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Judging by my off-list in-box
a lot of folks do not post on the list what they think for fear of
retributional responses. "Nil illegitium carborundom
men!"</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Eric.</SPAN><o:p></o:p><FONT
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