[NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.

Mon Mar 27 07:01:30 AKST 2006

Jim you forgot the only pain in the butt<G>"Babysitting the batteries while 
they are being charged when you get home for the next day"


>From: "Jim Woodward" <jim.woodward at schroth.com>
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:06:19 -0500
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> >From my brief personal experience and equipment and watching others, it
>takes a different mentality to run electrics.  If you like to tinker with
>things, it will drive you crazy that there is "nothing" to do to an 
>electric
>motor (unless you change grease on a gear box).  With the Plett, there is
>NOTHING to do - it either works or it doesn't.
>
>
>
>The only thing to really "adjust" or setup is the controller.  After that -
>as a user - all you do is record temps and do not fly too long. The worse
>thing you can do is fly too long and run the batteries too low. Then, you
>charge the batteries using the best practices for that equipment.  That's
>it..
>
>
>
>When you get home, there is typically "nothing" to do to the plane - just 
>be
>happy to let it sit on the shelf until you fly again :-)  It's a different
>mentality, but the benefits speak for themselves.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim W.
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>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ferrell
>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:53 AM
>To: NSRCA Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.
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>
>I like getting ALL the information so I can make my own decisions.
>
>My involvement with the electrics is stalled and likely to remain that way
>until the battery manufacture's release product specs in the parameters 
>that
>we are operating. Like charge-discharge data in the 10C to 25C range.
>
>
>
>I use LiPo's, NiMh and NIcds in assorted gadgets within Manufacturer specs
>with great success.
>
>I am reluctant to spend my resources to test a vendors product.
>
>Keep the data coming, the messenger with bad news has always been punished!
>
>John Ferrell
>http://DixieNC.US
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>From: Grow Pattern <mailto:pattern4u at comcast.net>
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>To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:12 AM
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>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.
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>
>Jim,
>
>        I'm not anti-electric. But if I reported that I had blown a rod on 
>a
>YS DZ I perceive that I would get a different reaction than if I report a
>problem with an electric motor or its set-up.
>
>
>
>If I succeeded in getting one pilot to take care of their batteries in a
>safer way then it was worth running the gauntlet of my usual critics on 
>this
>list.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>
>Eric.
>
>
>
>BTW - Rules proposals are the last thing on my mind. I'll leave that to the
>NSRCA board and the survey results etc. Nor would I want to separate 
>pilots.
>Rewarding private and funded pilots is a different issue.
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>From: Jim <mailto:jim.woodward at schroth.com>  Woodward
>
>To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:42 AM
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>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.
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>Hey Eric,
>
>
>
>After your last emails about the charging incident, I was sure you'd follow
>it up with some sort of rule change proposal.  I was guessing you would
>start with an outright ban on electrics :-), and not a separation of 
>pilots.
>
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>James R. Woodward
>
>Schroth Safety Products
>
>Engineering & Customer Support Manager
>
>1371 SW 8th St. Unit 3
>
>Pompano Beach, FL 33069
>
>Cell: (954) 319-0873
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>
>
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>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Grow Pattern
>Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:12 PM
>To: NSRCA Mailing List
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Changing list behavior.
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>
>I have noticed a behavioral change in this discussion list over the years
>when it comes to electric power. There was always some polarization to
>Radios and engines etc.
>
>
>
>What I noticed most was that the glow era engine owners were very willing 
>to
>report their engine failures and a whole myriad of engine fixes and
>preventative medicine.
>
>
>
>I still see the latter but not as much of the failure reporting. I put this
>down to sponsored pilot behavior with all products. I also noted a change 
>at
>the top. Now most all the pilots are sponsored in one form or another. We
>always had a few sponsored pilots but now the unsponsored pilot is the
>exception.
>
>
>
>Maybe it is time to have a Pro-Am separation in the awards?
>
>
>
>I also noticed that the list does a lot more advertising/selling that it 
>was
>ever intended to. That may be or not may be a good thing.
>
>
>
>Judging by my off-list in-box a lot of folks do not post on the list what
>they think for fear of retributional responses. "Nil illegitium carborundom
>men!"
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Eric.
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>From: George Kennie <mailto:geobet at gis.net>
>
>To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:51 PM
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>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Dodged a Bullet Today!!!!
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>Nope!,...... I think that I might have also had a similar experience with
>the Astro charger.
>I had a pak that had been in storage for about 3 weeks and decided to top 
>it
>off before flying, but noticed when I connected it to the charger that it
>started out at the maximum voltage and started increasing from there into
>territory I had never seen before.Recognizing that I had never seen 
>voltages
>this high displayed on the screen before, I immediately terminated the
>charge. This all happened within a period of 15-20 seconds.
>G.
>
>jeffghughes at comcast.net wrote:
>
>  What everybody is assuming is that this was a screw up.It could also just
>have been a bad cell The manual does say not to put a fully charged pack on
>the charger and discharge first if any doubt.
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
>I can't say how the charger works, but my uneducated guess would be that 
>the
>voltage rise (internal impedance) with the application of current would be
>different between charged/uncharged cells.
>
>Grow Pattern <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>What still bothers me is:- If 3 fully charged cells = 12 V plus, and 4
>discharged cells = 12 V Plus, then how does the charger know which is 
>which?
>
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>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Dodged a Bullet Today!!!!
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:19:38 +0000
>From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
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