[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

Sun Mar 26 12:24:17 AKST 2006

The FAI and Masters seem rather pro forma, and do the procedure turn.  Those of us in  the great unwashed classes have also been utilizing this, but quite a few contestants take off, proceed straight out, and execute a humpty-bump or a 1/2 Cuban for a turnaround to the "trim pass."
This also allows the caller to jog back to the line, burning a few calories, and staying in shape, thereby not arriving so out of breath that he is unable to call the first few figures for his pilot.
Or, if your caller is the athletic type, then  Don Ramsay has simplified it:  Simply take off, make a 180 deg. turn, and head directly downwind.  Fast, simple, easy to do, easy to judge, (Take off is complete when airplane passes center pole downwind).  You can then extend the down-wind leg, turning only when your out-of-breath caller joins you and stops panting.  It's totally non-critical.
Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Pavlick 
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  Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:13 PM
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  So.... how did we do it 3 years ago? :)

  John Pavlick
  http://www.idseng.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Ferrell
    Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:07 PM
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    The procedure turn allows time for the caller to get back to the pilot station in time to enter the box.
    John Ferrell    
    http://DixieNC.US

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Nat Penton 
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      Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

      John
      I agree the procedure turn is a time and fuel waster. Someone said it was incorporated to prevent hotdogging. I have occasionally flown the procedure turn in knife edge since it is not a violation of the rules. I think a prescribed 180 after TO would be just as effective in eliminating hotdogging.

      One advantage of he procedure turn is that it gives a long trim pass. This is seldom needed, however and I think saving judge time is more important.              Nat
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: John Pavlick 
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        Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:07 PM
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

        My understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and landing as "0" OR "10" was to save time (?) and make the judges job easier (???). Well, last season we spent a lot of time at pilot's meetings talking about how to "0" something that didn't fit the rulebook description. Or when exactly do we call "Takeoff complete"? It was silly. The judges still need to watch the Entire takeoff and landing sequence so again, what's the point. If you wanted to save time on T.O. - don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff, turn 180 downwind, check trim, turn around and get in the box. If you're a judge, assume that if it got into the box it did so while conforming to the "rules". "10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool and it looks great, but it takes more time to do, AND you spend more time in the overlapping region of the other flight line (depending on the wind direction and which line you're on of course). If you're going to go through all of that, then you should at least get a good score for doing it well. Just my opinion.

        Also funny how now that electric is becoming more popular, we're relaxing the rules about the airplane standing still before the takeoff roll. Pretty soon it won't even matter - well, it will for some of us...
        John Pavlick
        http://www.idseng.com 

         -----Original Message-----
        From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
        Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12 AM
        To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

          Yes, it definitely took some skill to get the plane to rotate and stay on the ground with the nose gear off the ground before smoothly taking off.  Same for the landing with the nose gear up for a bit on rollout.

          Anyone know the thinking behind 0 to 10?  Seems that flying judged on precision would not include a perfect score on a takeoff just jerked into the sky.

          Stuart

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          From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GSailwhale at aol.com
          Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:41 AM
          To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
          Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

          If we go back to judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back to tricycle gear and retracts......cool!!!!!

          Greg G

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