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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The FAI and Masters seem rather pro forma, and do the
procedure turn. Those of us in the great unwashed classes have also
been utilizing this, but quite a few contestants take off, proceed straight out,
and execute a humpty-bump or a 1/2 Cuban for a turnaround to the "trim
pass."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This also allows the caller to jog back to the
line, burning a few calories, and staying in shape, thereby not arriving so
out of breath that he is unable to call the first few figures for his
pilot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Or, if your caller is the athletic type, then Don
Ramsay has simplified it: Simply take off, make a 180 deg. turn, and head
directly downwind. Fast, simple, easy to do, easy to judge, (Take off is
complete when airplane passes center pole downwind). You can then extend
the down-wind leg, turning only when your out-of-breath caller joins you and
stops panting. It's totally non-critical.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=390281221-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>So.... how did we do it 3 years ago? :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=390281221-26032006>
<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Ferrell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The procedure turn allows time for the caller
to get back to the pilot station in time to enter the box.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell <BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=natpenton@centurytel.net
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
rookie judge</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree the procedure turn is a time and fuel
waster. Someone said it was incorporated to prevent hotdogging. I have
occasionally flown the procedure turn in knife edge since it is not a
violation of the rules. I think a prescribed 180 after TO would be just as
effective in eliminating hotdogging.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One advantage of he procedure turn is
that it gives a long trim pass. This is seldom needed, however and I think
saving judge time is more
important.
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
rookie judge</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>My understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and landing
as "0" OR "10" was to save time (?) and make the judges job easier
(???). Well, last season we spent a lot of time at pilot's
meetings talking about how to "0" something that didn't fit the rulebook
description. Or when exactly do we call "Takeoff complete"? It was
silly. The judges still need to watch the Entire takeoff and landing
sequence so again, what's the point. If you wanted to save time on T.O.
- don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff, turn 180 downwind,
check trim, turn around and get in the box. If you're a judge, assume
that if it got into the box it did so while conforming to the "rules".
"10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool and it looks great, but it takes
more time to do, AND you spend more time in the overlapping region of
the other flight line (depending on the wind direction and which line
you're on of course). If you're going to go through all of that, then
you should at least get a good score for doing it well. Just my
opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Also funny how now that electric is becoming more popular, we're
relaxing the rules about the airplane standing still before the takeoff
roll. Pretty soon it won't even matter - well, it will for some of
us...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Stuart Chale<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, it
definitely took some skill to get the plane to rotate and stay on the
ground with the nose gear off the ground before smoothly taking
off. Same for the landing with the nose gear up for a bit on
rollout.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone know
the thinking behind 0 to 10? Seems that flying judged on
precision would not include a perfect score on a takeoff just jerked
into the sky.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></B>GSailwhale@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 25, 2006
8:41 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If we go
back to judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back to tricycle
gear and retracts......cool!!!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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