[NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern Participation? Does theDogHunt on points made?
George Kennie
geobet at gis.net
Fri Mar 3 09:14:46 AKST 2006
To me, it's astounding how many times I've seen guys show up at
their first contest and, for them, the schedules really ARE
unknowns.
I remember going to a contest back in 1969 and getting the schedule
from the CD and looking it over before flying and relying on my
caller to tell me what I should execute! The concept of learning a
schedule and actually practicing it before competing was certainly
beyond my grasp at the time (and I sometimes wonder about now).
G.
Bill Glaze wrote:
> Dave:We agree. I am wondering how the current pattern
> contestants would take having an unknown handed to them on
> Saturday A.M. at a "regular" contest. It would count as one
> round, and could be a "throwaway" round under our conventional 6
> round contest. I believe it could be fun; I got cleared by Dave
> Guerin to do it at his last BARKS contest in Fall of 2005; but I
> just didn't have time to research it enough to build 4 sequences,
> when I really don't know how it would be received. I hate wasted
> effort! Also, the contest is a successful one, and I don't want
> to "spoil" it for any of the regulars. Don't know about this
> years efforts. Bill Glaze
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: davidmichael1 at comcast.net
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs Pattern
> Participation? Does theDogHunt on points made?
> You are absolutely right, Bill. I am probably
> representative of most in this regard- the first few
> years I flew the freestyle and enjoyed it very much. As
> time went on I did it less and less- I haven't done one
> in the last 2-3 years now. I really like working on the
> sequence and not as much on the freestyle as I used to.
> My self expectations have gone up- no longer content
> with just thinking things up as I go. Now, I'd like to
> fly some freestyle again- but now my standards would
> force me to develop and practice a whole routine
> choreographed to music and with 3D mixed in to be happy
> enough with my effort to go out in public with it! It
> does help draw attention to the contest though- from a
> spectator and contestant viewpoint. It was part of why
> I started flying IMAC- now I haven't flown freestyle but
> I still fly the sequences - I have been hooked. I don't
> see any harm in advertising and holding a seperate
> freestyle/AA contest at the end of the day after a
> pattern contest. If noone shows- no loss. If someone
> does- it could be fun to do and or watch and might even
> draw someone to participate. That's the hook. Dave
> Michael
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
>
> > Perhaps AA might help growth. As long as it
> stays as an option. It is a
> > fact that only 10-20 percent of the flyers
> entering an IMAC contest elect to
> > fly the freestyle. Most do not desire to do
> so. Even at the JR Challenge,
> > (in which I will be one of the judges)
> probably less than 20% will opt for
> > freestyle.
> > Bill Glaze
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Wickizer"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs
> Pattern Participation? Does
> > theDogHunt on points made?
> >
> >
> > > Keith:
> > >
> > > While you say that in jest, it would
> attract the younger! pilots and
> > > specators. Perhaps it's time we think
> about Artistic Aerobatics. Had
> > > there
> > > been IMAC in our area, I know of one pilot
> who would have never flown
> > > pattern (but now is hooked).
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Keith Black"
> > >>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List
> > >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
> > >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs
> Pattern Participation? Does
> > >>theDogHunt on points made?
> > >>Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:30:47 -0600
> > >>
> > >>Reading the comments here brings the
> following to my attention.
> > >>
> > >>Loud "ballistic missile" pattern = Huge
> popularity.
> > >>Quite graceful pattern flying 150 m away =
> Boring.
> > >>Huge Loud IMAC pl! anes flying 3D = Huge
> popularity.
> > >>
> > >>I bet if we add an "Extreme Pattern" class
> where we do high slow rolls and
> > >>snaps ten feed off the deck right over the
> runway we'd become much more
> > >>popular again. ;-)
> > >>
> > >>Keith Black
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Bob Richards
> > >> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:55 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] IMAC Vs
> Pattern Participation? Does the
> > >>DogHunt on points made?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Larry,
> > >>
> > >> Good points.
> > >>
> > >> A little history, as best as I can
> remember it.
> > >>
> > >> At one time, Pattern was the top of the
> heap. I remember the first RC
> > >>Modeler magazine I bought (circa 1972) had
> coverage of the Masters
> > >>competition! . RC Modeler carried coverage
> of the large pattern contests
> > >>back
> > >>then. At some point (I don't remember
> when, exactly) RCM (aka Don Dewey)
> > >>became ticked off at the AMA because AMA
> chose to publish their own
> > >>magazine. This happened when American
> Aircraft Modeler magazine went out
> > >>of
> > >>business, they had been publishing the AMA
> News in the back of their
> > >>magazine. It seemed to me that RCM no
> longer covered pattern events after
> > >>that. There was a big push by RCM to
> promote the "Sport Flyers
> > >>Association", anything AMA sanctioned was
> left out. (This was my
> > >>observation).
> > >>
> > >> Along came the TOC, which actually
> started out with pattern models.
> > >>Again, t! here was coverage. But, then the
> TOC went the scale aerobatics
> > >>route (and extra points for biplanes, an!
> d extra points for mammoth planes
> > >>-- the rest is hist ory).
> > >>
> > >> Pattern is no longer the premiere event
> that it used to be. I think it
> > >>all goes back to the WOW factor. There
> also seemed to be a period where
> > >>pattern flyers were looked down upon,
> usually labeled "snobs". Thank
> > >>goodnes that does not seem to be the case
> anymore.
> > >>
> > >> I think the change from loud, ballistic
> missle type flying to the
> > >>turnaround style now has changed the
> general modeling perception, although
> > >>it took several years for the general
> modeling public to recognize the
> > >>change.
> > >>
> > >> However, the turnaround format seems to
> have had both a positive and
> > >>negative effect. The general modeling
> public respects pattern more as a
> > >>result, but it also SEEMS to be a barrier
> for new participants. Again,
> > >>this
> > >>is ju! st my opinion.
> > >>
> > >> Bob R.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Lisa & Larry wrote:
> > >> Eric Henderson wrote**** If we knew why
> we could probably fix it.
> > >> ****
> > >>
> > >> From my viewpoint trying to get into
> pattern around 1999 was a major
> > >>challenge.
> > >>
> > >> I was first introduced to Pattern in
> Southern California in 1985 when
> > >>I went to watch a contest. It took another
> 15 years to have the time and
> > >>money to do it. For me lack of time was
> because of my service in the US
> > >>Navy. Difficult to fly when your out at
> sea and they don't fit too well in
> > >>a locker on the ship.vbg
> > >>
> > >> ! It took me from 1999 to 2002 to find
> somebody that new what pattern
> > >>was. Everyone new IMAC and could point me
> to a pilot ! that competed, but
> > >>not
> > >>Pattern.
> > >>
> > >> What does this mean? Either I'm not a
> very smart cookie or Pattern is
> > >>a very well kept secret (not much has
> changed since 1999). So how is it
> > >>that a person that new pattern existed
> took the better part of 4 years to
> > >>finally talk to someone that could help
> get started?
> > >>
> > >> Over the last seven years we watched IMAC
> ARF's take off and sell
> > >> like
> > >>hot cakes, only in the last couple years
> have we seen Pattern ARF's on the
> > >>market.
> > >>
> > >> I went to an RC Airshow north of
> Bloomington, IN around the spring of
> > >>2002. I watched a pilot fly an Extra for
> an IMAC Sportsman Class Demo. I
> > >>approached him and asked him about Pattern
> and how to get started. His
> > >>response was clear, "Why would you want to
> fly a toy model plane when you
> > >>can! fly a model of a real plane and do
> the same thing!" Aside from an
> > >>instant turn off from IMAC, it ! set the
> tone of perception between IMAC
> > >>and Pattern. I will most likely start
> competing in IMAC this year as well
> > >>as pattern. Mostly because there are more
> IMAC contests in a 5 hour drive
> > >>than there are pattern from where I'm
> located.
> > >>
> > >> If you compare IMAC and Pattern I don't
> think the dog hunts in most
> > >> of
> > >>the arguments I've seen posted in the last
> few years as they reappear from
> > >>time to time.
> > >>
> > >> 1) IMAC and Pattern planes compare in
> cost. (That dog won't
> > >> hunt
> > >>on this point)
> > >> 2) IMAC and Pattern take the same !
> amount of practice time to
> > >>be competitive in a given class. (That dog
> won't hunt on this point)
> > >> 3! ) IMAC and Pattern meets are
> relatively the same driving
> > > >distance for most. (That dog won't hunt
> on this point)
> > >> 4) I can find more IMAC contests than
> Pattern contests (Dog
> > >>might be tracking something on this one)
> > >> 5) Sport pilots know more about IMAC than
> they do pattern, this
> > >>is speculative but I believe it's the
> case. (Dog might be tracking
> > >>something on this one)
> > >>
> > >> We need to do a better job marketing
> Pattern. I think that IMAC has
> > >>done great in this area. The TOC helped
> IMAC grow and get the word out
> > >>through coverage of a big event. I think
> we can see a decline in IMAC
> > >>since
> > >>the last TOC. I have not seen or heard of
> a big contest that gets the
> > >>publicity that the TOC received. Even the
> FAI World Pattern contest is not
> > >>covered as well as the TOC was.
> > >>
> > >> How do you guys view t! hese points?
> > >>
> > >> Larry Diamond
> > >> NSRCA 3083
> > >>
> > >> PS.What Eric does for Pattern in his
> reporting to magazines is
> > >>probably one of the key factors that he!
> lps pattern stay afloat. Thanks
> > >>Eric..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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