[NSRCA-discussion] paint

Wed Jul 12 10:37:17 AKDT 2006

Well, I have hesitated to jump in here, but.................
When I had my El Camino painted with Imron, they did it in a pressurized paint booth, and the painter was dressed in a completely covered suit, similar to a spacesuit.  There was a separate, independent compressor air supply that fed air into the gun man via a hose and regulator.  I went over to an observation window to look inside the inflated building, (one of those rubberized Quonset hut looking buildings) and was quickly told that I couldn't stand there looking in.  I was told to stay in the office; the window was for their personnel to look in to see that the paint gun man was O.K.
Shortly afterward, (a few days) I happened to read (I believe it was Air and Space Technology Weekly, don't remember now) about a man who was painting his Christen Eagle out in a field, who died after somehow ingesting fumes of Imron, which congealed (cured?) in his lungs, effectively suffocating him.  And, this was in open air!
I'll cut this short, but I can tell you for a fact that there are just too many good paints out there on the market that do a great job, without the level of hazard of Imron.  
If the professionals treat this stuff with the  kind of respect I witnessed, I won't fool with it.
(BTW:  Imron was developed to paint the airplanes for the company I flew for; believe me, they went to great lengths when painting an airplane.)

Bill Glaze
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  Tim 

  I am unaware of Imron properties. Clear coat is a protection for some systems that are not fuel proof and for pigmented car systems that absolutely require a reactive clear coat. I do not trust that a paint shop person is aware of the nitromethane chemical resistance of Imron. Pehaps someone on this list does know. 

  Single stage paints, such as PPG DBU etc are a non reactive carrier resin pigmented with a color and fillers. They basically "dry" or evaporate a solvent and what is left behind is the non reacted resin and color. Clearcoats are reactive, which is a thermosetting polymer-non reversable. Single stage paints dry and then can be removed with a slovent wipe, or fuel on your plane. 

  But! it is important tp point out that single stage paints are not affected by electric battery exhaust, except for the occasional unbalanced cell act. 

  Gray Fowler
  Senior Principal Chemical Engineer
  Radome and Composites Engineering
  Raytheon 

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  I am getting ready to spray imron.  I have never painted anything.  I told the paint shop what I was using it for and they said I didn’t need a clear and I didn’t get any reducer.  What type of reducer and how much should I use for this type of paint.  Also why do you use clear over a single stage paint.   

  Tim 

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  Robert 

  Humidity is not a problem, dew point is. Since it is warm now in most places this should not be a problem.  The amount of reducer called out by the paint manufacturer has two purposes, 

  1. Reduce the viscosity so a standard paint gun can atomize 
  2. Only reduce the viscosity barely enough as to meet EPA volatile organic emmision requirements 

  The PPG "reducer" amounts allow the car painting guy to seriously "lay it on" with out fear of runs or overspray. Unfortunately laying it on an airplane increases weight. A thicker clear coat will not really protect your plane better than a thinner coat, so it is just weight. Adding more reducer (its really a blend of different solvents)  will allow for thinner coats, less overspray, but can increase runs. 

  The reducer like I mentioned is a blend of solvents, and all of this 100% evaporates and has nothing to do with the urethane chemical reaction that cures the clearcoat. You can add as much reducer as you want without reprisal...except from the EPA, which I doubt will go after an individual pattern guy...but I could be wrong.  So once you are comfortable with increasing your local pollution level...add that 200% reducer!!! 

  Gray Fowler
  Senior Principal Chemical Engineer
  Radome and Composites Engineering
  Raytheon 

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  Couple of painting questions.

  Weathers turned to crap around here again.  How much humidity is to humid to 
  paint?

  I've been reading where the jet guys are reducing they're clear coat to a 
  200% ratio.  They think it's great.  Anybody tried this? 

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