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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well, I have hesitated to jump in here,
but.................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>When I had my El Camino painted with Imron, they did it in
a pressurized paint booth, and the painter was dressed in a completely covered
suit, similar to a spacesuit. There was a separate,
independent compressor air supply that fed air into the gun man via a hose
and regulator. I went over to an observation window to look inside the
inflated building, (one of those rubberized Quonset hut looking buildings) and
was quickly told that I couldn't stand there looking in. I was told to
stay in the office; the window was for their personnel to look in to see that
the paint gun man was O.K.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Shortly afterward, (a few days) I happened to read (I
believe it was Air and Space Technology Weekly, don't remember now) about a man
who was painting his Christen Eagle out in a field, who died after somehow
ingesting fumes of Imron, which congealed (cured?) in his lungs, effectively
suffocating him. And, this was in open air!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I'll cut this short, but I can tell you for a fact that
there are just too many good paints out there on the market that do a great job,
without the level of hazard of Imron. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If the professionals treat this stuff with the kind
of respect I witnessed, I won't fool with it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>(BTW: Imron was developed to paint the airplanes for
the company I flew for; believe me, they went to great lengths when painting an
airplane.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Tim</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>I am unaware of Imron properties. Clear coat is a
protection for some systems that are not fuel proof and for pigmented car
systems that absolutely require a reactive clear coat. I do not trust that a
paint shop person is aware of the nitromethane chemical resistance of Imron.
Pehaps someone on this list does know.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Single stage paints, such as PPG DBU etc are a non reactive carrier
resin pigmented with a color and fillers. They basically "dry" or evaporate a
solvent and what is left behind is the non reacted resin and color. Clearcoats
are reactive, which is a thermosetting polymer-non reversable. Single stage
paints dry and then can be removed with a slovent wipe, or fuel on your
plane.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>But! it is important tp
point out that single stage paints are not affected by electric battery
exhaust, except for the occasional unbalanced cell act.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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color=#000080 size=2>I am getting ready to spray imron. I have never
painted anything. I told the paint shop what I was using it for and they
said I didn’t need a clear and I didn’t get any reducer. What type of
reducer and how much should I use for this type of paint. Also why do
you use clear over a single stage paint. </FONT>
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<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Robert</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Humidity is not a problem,
dew point is. Since it is warm now in most places this should not be a
problem. The amount of reducer called out by the paint manufacturer has
two purposes, </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>1. Reduce the viscosity so a standard paint gun can
atomize</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>2. Only reduce the viscosity barely enough as to
meet EPA volatile organic emmision requirements </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>The
PPG "reducer" amounts allow the car painting guy to seriously "lay it on" with
out fear of runs or overspray. Unfortunately laying it on an airplane
increases weight. A thicker clear coat will not really protect your plane
better than a thinner coat, so it is just weight. Adding more reducer (its
really a blend of different solvents) will allow for thinner coats, less
overspray, but can increase runs. </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>The reducer like I
mentioned is a blend of solvents, and all of this 100% evaporates and has
nothing to do with the urethane chemical reaction that cures the clearcoat.
You can add as much reducer as you want without reprisal...except from the
EPA, which I doubt will go after an individual pattern guy...but I could be
wrong. So once you are comfortable with increasing your local pollution
level...add that 200% reducer!!!</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior
Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT>
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size=2><BR>Couple of painting questions.<BR><BR>Weathers turned to crap around
here again. How much humidity is to humid to <BR>paint?<BR><BR>I've been
reading where the jet guys are reducing they're clear coat to a <BR>200%
ratio. They think it's great. Anybody tried this?
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