[NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Rules interpretation

[jzeigenfus]

John I agree we need to clear up this issue, we also have to consider however, that when the pilot calls landing and say by his doing or wind conditions, the plane does some violent oscillations then finally lands outside the zone and  when finally on the ground does not roll straight. Some pilots will make the case that all they did was land outside the zone. Like all manuevers you start at 10 and subtract for mistakes. Another question might be does the pilot have to call take off complete or landing starting or is it up to the judges to decide when to stop judging take off or landing? JEZ
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JonLowe at aol.com 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Rules interpretation


  Somehow my response to Steve didn't get posted to the list. It is below.  Remember, we were flying 2007 rules, not 2006.  The zone is 30 meters.

  Here is my attempted post:

  "Steve,
  I wasn't pointing fingers, and if you or others took it that way, I sincerely apologize. My point was that since we have new rules, and since this was the first contest that used them, we can take this as an opportunity to make sure everyone understands the situation. The situation on landings is a little confusing.  Unfortunately, the only "official" place to find the 2007 rules, since they haven't been formally published, is under the proposed rules section on the AMA site.  That is where it says the landing zone is 30 meters.  The new rules are at:

  http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/proposals.htm

  I think the confusion stems from the landing zone of 30 meters for 2007, vs. the former landing area of 100 meters, if the later even still even exists.  Your landing zone for 2007 IS standard and correct at 30 meters, so don't buy any black paint!  The only confusion was whether or not landing outside the zone was a zero.  

  The entire approved proposal is:

  "Landing.  The landing maneuver will be scored in half point increments from 10 to 0.  The maneuver will start two (2) meters from the ground.  The model flares smoothly to a nose high altitude, dissipating flying speed, then smoothly touches the ground, within the landing zone.  The maneuver should be considered complete once the plane has slowed below flying speed and rolled 10 meters or comes to a stop and no further downgrades shall be applied after that point.



  The landing zone shall be marked by lines placed perpendicular across the runway and spaced 30 meters apart.  The width of the landing zone is normally the width of the runway but in no case shall exceed 30 meters.  Landing is not a centered maneuver and there is no downgrade for displacement of the touchdown point left or right from center as long as the landing is in the landing zone.  It the touchdown is within the runway but not in the landing zone it should be downgraded proportionate to the distance outside the landing zone.  The Contest Director may designate any landing zone appropriate to the field if safety considerations dictate.  If the landing zone is anything other than standard it should be thoroughly discussed with the pilots and judging before flying is started and no downgrade shall be applied due to the touchdown in the non-standard landing zone.  The landing will not be downgraded if:

    1.. Wing dips which are caused by air turbulence unless they are not immediately corrected. 
    2.. The pilot “slips to a landing” to handle a crosswind condition in which case a wig will be low. 
    3.. The model rolls to a controlled stop with 10 meters. 
  Downgrades:

    1.. Model passes behind the judges line, zero (0) points. 
    2.. Model impacts the runway due to lack of flare. 
    3.. Model bounces. 
    4.. Changes in track. 
    5.. Model ends on its back, zero (0) points. 
    6.. Model lands outside landing zone. 
    7.. If any undercarriage retracts before the landing is complete, zero (0) points. 
    8.. Aircraft “porpoises” and/or wanders during approach or flare. 
    9.. Aircraft land outside the landing area or runway, zero (0) points. 
    10.. Aircraft touches down while not straight to runway and ground track. 


  Submitted by:  Don Ramsey, AMA #6096"

  Again, I had a ball at your contest, and sincerely apologize again if what I said sounded like criticism.  That was not my intent.

  See you over Christmas.  I should be at RCACF several times.

  Jon"



  Jon Lowe




  In a message dated 12/11/2006 7:23:39 PM Central Standard Time, Rcmaster199 at aol.com writes:
    Steve, 

    if you go back and review the thread started by Jason Shulman, to which I had responded initially, you will find that the AMA zone was indeed stated as being 100 meters. I later reviewed te AMA reg and I confirmed it. I suggested to Jason that he go to the site and review it himself. In that rule, the mandatory zeroes are explicit.

    FAI reg is different regarding the Landing Zone's dimensions. The F3A event requires a 30 meter zone

    As CD, I believe that you were within your rights to unify the rule and explain it as you saw it to the pilots attending the event. If all agreed, and it appears they did from your comments, there is no foul play.

    Again, what isn't clear is whether there is a single landing zone regardless of the number of flight lines. I will raise the issue within the Judging Committee.

    MattK


  Jon Lowe



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