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<DIV>John I agree we need to clear up this issue, we also have to consider
however, that when the pilot calls landing and say by his doing or wind
conditions, the plane does some violent oscillations then finally lands
outside the zone and when finally on the ground does not roll
straight. Some pilots will make the case that all they did was land outside
the zone. Like all manuevers you start at 10 and subtract for mistakes. Another
question might be does the pilot have to call take off complete or landing
starting or is it up to the judges to decide when to stop judging take off or
landing? JEZ</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 11, 2006 11:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007
Rules interpretation</DIV>
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<DIV>Somehow my response to Steve didn't get posted to the list. It is
below. Remember, we were flying 2007 rules, not 2006. The zone is
30 meters.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here is my attempted post:</DIV>
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<DIV>"Steve,</DIV>
<DIV>I wasn't pointing fingers, and if you or others took it that
way, I sincerely apologize. My point was that since we have new rules,
and since this was the first contest that used them, we can take this as an
opportunity to make sure everyone understands the situation. The
situation on landings is a little confusing. Unfortunately,
the only "official" place to find the 2007 rules, since they haven't
been formally published, is under the proposed rules section on the AMA
site. That is where it says the landing zone is 30 meters. The new
rules are at:</DIV>
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<DIV>http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/proposals.htm</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think the confusion stems from the landing zone of 30 meters for 2007,
vs. the former landing area of 100 meters, if the later even still
even exists. Your landing zone for 2007 IS standard and
correct at 30 meters, so don't buy any black paint! The only confusion
was whether or not landing outside the zone was a zero. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The entire approved proposal is:</DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>"Landing. The landing maneuver will be scored in half
point increments from 10 to 0. The maneuver will start two (2) meters
from the ground. The model flares smoothly to a nose high altitude,
dissipating flying speed, then smoothly touches the ground, within the landing
zone. The maneuver should be considered complete once the plane has
slowed below flying speed and rolled 10 meters or comes to a stop and no
further downgrades shall be applied after that point.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The landing zone shall be marked by lines placed
perpendicular across the runway and spaced 30 meters apart. The width of
the landing zone is normally the width of the runway but in no case shall
exceed 30 meters. Landing is not a centered maneuver and there is no
downgrade for displacement of the touchdown point left or right from center as
long as the landing is in the landing zone. It the touchdown is within
the runway but not in the landing zone it should be downgraded proportionate
to the distance outside the landing zone. The Contest Director may
designate any landing zone appropriate to the field if safety considerations
dictate. If the landing zone is anything other than standard it should
be thoroughly discussed with the pilots and judging before flying is started
and no downgrade shall be applied due to the touchdown in the non-standard
landing zone. The landing will not be downgraded if:</P>
<OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in" type=1>
<LI class=MsoNormal>Wing dips which are caused by air turbulence unless they
are not immediately corrected.
<LI class=MsoNormal>The pilot “slips to a landing” to handle a crosswind
condition in which case a wig will be low.
<LI class=MsoNormal>The model rolls to a controlled stop with 10 meters.
</LI></OL>
<P class=MsoNormal>Downgrades:</P>
<OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in" type=1>
<LI class=MsoNormal>Model passes behind the judges line, zero (0) points.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Model impacts the runway due to lack of flare.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Model bounces.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Changes in track.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Model ends on its back, zero (0) points.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Model lands outside landing zone.
<LI class=MsoNormal>If any undercarriage retracts before the landing is
complete, zero (0) points.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Aircraft “porpoises” and/or wanders during approach or
flare.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Aircraft land outside the landing area or runway, zero
(0) points.
<LI class=MsoNormal>Aircraft touches down while not straight to runway and
ground track. </LI></OL>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Submitted by: Don Ramsey, AMA #6096"</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Again, I had a ball at your contest, and sincerely
apologize again if what I said sounded like criticism. That was not my
intent.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>See you over Christmas. I should be at RCACF several
times.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Jon"</P>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Jon Lowe</P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 12/11/2006 7:23:39 PM Central Standard Time,
Rcmaster199@aol.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if you go back and review the thread started by
Jason Shulman, to which I had responded initially, you will find that the
AMA zone was indeed stated as being 100
meters. I later reviewed te AMA reg and I confirmed it. I
suggested to Jason that he go to the site and review it himself. In that
rule, the mandatory zeroes are explicit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>FAI reg is different regarding the Landing
Zone's dimensions. The F3A event requires a 30 meter zone</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As CD, I believe that you were within your
rights to unify the rule and explain it as you saw it to the pilots
attending the event. If all agreed, and it appears they did from your
comments, there is no foul play.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Again, what isn't clear is whether there is a
single landing zone regardless of the number of flight lines. I will raise
the issue within the Judging Committee.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>MattK</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 PTSIZE="10">Jon Lowe<BR></FONT></DIV>
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