[NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique

Thu Dec 7 21:38:17 AKST 2006

I understand Keith it just seems there is a ton of discussion about this new Masters pattern and everybody is really asking some crazy questions and ideas on what the proper geometry really is. And this is coming from some of the folks that have been around a while and know better. 

Just stupid stuff like the Figure M must show the top both times or it must show a top and a bottom. Then the stuff recently about the roll rates being the same in the 2pt-slow roll opposite. 

I just took it that you were upset about it being in an FAI maneuver and that Masters hadn't done it in several years as in many many years. And being the case it was adding yet another step up in complexity to the masters program. When in reality you as a moving up Advanced guy are hitting not only some increased complexity in the 2007 program but also the increased complexity of the Advanced to Masters move.

I have been flying the new Masters in recent weeks also and find it to be a challenge indeed. I'm not a Quique or Jason. I have to fly it with lots of practice and this program is teaching this old dawg many new tricks. All in all I like it as the flow is much better than the current 2004-2005 program. The 1.5 positive snap I have pretty good since we did that one recently. The 2/4pts from Inverted is not as good.

To help you out what I do is pump the elevator hard, as the model auto-rotates you can actually come out of most of the elevator. If it is truly stalled then the rudder keeps it stalled and elevator can come out. As it hits that last 1/2 rotation I catch a little down elevator to pick up the nose. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Black 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique

  I stand corrected, instead of "not had a 1 1/2 snap for several years", make that, "not had a 1 1/2 snap for two years".  But for goodness sakes, that's not the point of my question, I just want to talk about the 1 1/2 snap, not everyone has been in this sport since the 90's! 

  And BTW, what does judging the 2/2pt-slow roll in FAI have to do with the snap question? 

  This list needs some Ritalin.

  Keith

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Wayne 
    To: NSRCA Mailing List 
    Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:08 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique

    Keith,

    the previous Masters Schedule to the "current one" had exactly that a 1.5 positive snap on a 45 down line. So its only been out for 2 years or 1 cycle. It was in place in 2002-2004 for a total of 3 years. This is when AMA switched back to a 2 year cycle.

    The stuff in these sequences have in them have been around for a long time. Especially things like the Figure M. This was in the Masters pattern of the late 90's and it was flown for about 5years or so.

    The 2/2pt-slow roll reversed is a first of its kind in AMA pattern but it has been in FAI since the change to the new style sequences in 2000. That's going into its 7th year. And its been judged in FAI the same way for the past 7 years. Don't understand why its an issue today. Are you guys judging the FAI guys different than you should be?

    Wayne
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Keith Black 
      To: NSRCA Mailing List 
      Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:50 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique

      Matt, thanks for providing an answer to the snap question, that's three in this 29 message thread. It's all Gray's fault. ;-)

      Perhaps this is a good time to segue (back) to the 1 1/2 snap technique question.

      Given that the AMA schedules have not had a 1 1/2 snap for several years I'm sure there are many other Masters pilots that, like me, are trying to figure out how best to perform this maneuver. 

      It would be great to hear different viewpoints and opinions. 

      Keith Black

      ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
        To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
        Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:09 PM
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique

         There you are Keith, the answer to your original question.... Make your plane weigh a ton and you too could produce instant snaps. Whether you want them or not. Just kidding....

        Matt

        PS-  for the 1 1/2 down snap, one thing that works well and you might want to practice is to snap out (away from the flight line)....that is to left on a left to right entry and right on right to left entry. Hold the rudder and ease it out as you exit to hold heading. Works for most wind conditions; heavy cross out is an exception.

        -----Original Message-----
        From: vanputte at cox.net
        To: randy10926 at comtekmail.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
        Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 2:21 PM
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique

        On Dec 6, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Glenn Hatfield wrote:

          What is it?

        It is a 40-size airplane with a fiberglass fuselage.  I put a Super Tigre 46 on it.  It weighed a TON.  This was before we discovered that light is better.  It would often snap roll in an landing approach, however, it never crashed and doesn't have a scratch on it.   It kept me light on the controls.

        Ron Van Putte

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