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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I understand Keith it just seems there is a ton of
discussion about this new Masters pattern and everybody is really asking some
crazy questions and ideas on what the proper geometry really is. And this is
coming from some of the folks that have been around a while and know better.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Just stupid stuff like the Figure M must show the top both
times or it must show a top and a bottom. Then the stuff recently about the roll
rates being the same in the 2pt-slow roll opposite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I just took it that you were upset about it being in an
FAI maneuver and that Masters hadn't done it in several years as in many
many years. And being the case it was adding yet another step up in
complexity to the masters program. When in reality you as a moving up Advanced
guy are hitting not only some increased complexity in the 2007 program but also
the increased complexity of the Advanced to Masters move.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have been flying the new Masters in recent weeks also
and find it to be a challenge indeed. I'm not a Quique or Jason. I have to fly
it with lots of practice and this program is teaching this old dawg many new
tricks. All in all I like it as the flow is much better than the current
2004-2005 program. The 1.5 positive snap I have pretty good since we did that
one recently. The 2/4pts from Inverted is not as good.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>To help you out what I do is pump the elevator hard, as
the model auto-rotates you can actually come out of most of the elevator. If it
is truly stalled then the rudder keeps it stalled and elevator can come out. As
it hits that last 1/2 rotation I catch a little down elevator to pick up the
nose. </FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=tkeithblack@gmail.com href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com">Keith
Black</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2
snap technique</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I stand corrected, instead of "not had a 1 1/2 snap for
several years", make that, "not had a 1 1/2 snap for two years". But for
goodness sakes, that's not the point of my question, I just want to talk about
the 1 1/2 snap, not everyone has been in this sport since the 90's!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>And BTW, what does judging the 2/2pt-slow roll in FAI
have to do with the snap question? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This list needs some Ritalin.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Keith</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=Whinkle1024@msn.com href="mailto:Whinkle1024@msn.com">Wayne</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2
snap technique</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Keith,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>the previous Masters Schedule to the "current one" had
exactly that a 1.5 positive snap on a 45 down line. So its only been out for
2 years or 1 cycle. It was in place in 2002-2004 for a total of 3 years.
This is when AMA switched back to a 2 year cycle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The stuff in these sequences have in them have been
around for a long time. Especially things like the Figure M. This was in the
Masters pattern of the late 90's and it was flown for about 5years or
so.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The 2/2pt-slow roll reversed is a first of its kind in
AMA pattern but it has been in FAI since the change to the new style
sequences in 2000. That's going into its 7th year. And its been judged in
FAI the same way for the past 7 years. Don't understand why its an issue
today. Are you guys judging the FAI guys different than you should
be?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=tkeithblack@gmail.com href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com">Keith
Black</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006
8:50 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2
snap technique</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Matt, thanks for providing an answer to the snap
question, that's three in this 29 message thread. It's all Gray's fault.
;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Perhaps this is a good time to segue (back) to the 1
1/2 snap technique question.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Given that the AMA schedules have not had a 1 1/2
snap for several years I'm sure there are many other Masters pilots that,
like me, are trying to figure out how best to perform this maneuver.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It would be great to hear different viewpoints and
opinions. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006
9:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1
1/2 snap technique</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> There you are Keith, the answer to your original question....
Make your plane weigh a ton and you too could produce instant snaps.
Whether you want them or not. Just kidding....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PS- for the 1 1/2 down snap, one thing that works well and
you might want to practice is to snap out (away from the
flight line)....that is to left on a left to right entry and right on
right to left entry. Hold the rudder and ease it out as you exit to hold
heading. Works for most wind conditions; heavy cross out is an
exception.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
vanputte@cox.net<BR>To: randy10926@comtekmail.com;
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 2:21
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,sans-serif">What is
it?<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>It is a 40-size airplane
with a fiberglass fuselage. I put a Super Tigre 46 on it. It
weighed a TON. This was before we discovered that light is
better. It would often snap roll in an landing approach, however,
it never crashed and doesn't have a scratch on it. It kept
me light on the controls.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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