[NSRCA-discussion] Wing tube phenolic repair "help"

[Dean Pappas]

Hi Anthony,
The repait wasn't that heavy: after all, the little brooomstick pillars were not even 1/4" tall.
Anthing more than light-ply is overkill.
Dean
 

Dean Pappas 
Sr. Design Engineer 
Kodeos Communications 
111 Corporate Blvd. 
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
(908) 222-7817 phone 
(908) 222-2392 fax 
d.pappas at kodeos.com 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Abdullah
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Wing tube phenolic repair "help"


Dean,
I hadn't thought of that, but wasn't that repair kind of heavy? I think it is hilarious that you covered them in yellow!

I am fairly certain that I will use the false rib from the bottom technique to fix it. I will take great care to cut a uniform slot where the rib fits in snug, particularly around the phenolic. That should provide lots of surface area to transfer the load to the entire foam core wing panel. 
 
Next question:
What should I make the rib out of? Would a balsa rib laminated in carbon fiber be strong enough or should I just go with light ply? Of course weight is an issue. 
 
Should I still use Poly glue or would foam safe CA or 30 Minute epoxy be better?
 
Thanks again for all of your great suggestions.
Anthony
Dean Pappas <d.pappas at kodeos.com> wrote:

Hi Verne, Hi Anthony,
I had to do such a fix maybe 14 years back on a Desire 120.
The foam started to tear away from the tube, just as you describe.
I poked a 3/4" diameter hole in both sides of the wing just inboard of the end of the tube.
Then I took a piece of broomstick, sanded a concave to mate to the tube, and carved and sanded the other end to be flush to the top of the sheeting.
They went in with epoxy.
Then a pair of 6" long, by 1-1/2" wide 1/32" plywood scabs were glued to the outside of the sheeting like ribs.
That way, the tube was supported by a 6" wide swath of sheeting, top and bottom, with the load transferred by the broomstick columns.
I covered the scabs before gluing, and because I wasn't bashful, I covered them bright yellow which was not present anywhere else on the plane.
I think it was '92.
Dean
 
 
Dean Pappas 
Sr. Design Engineer 
Kodeos Communications 
111 Corporate Blvd. 
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
(908) 222-7817 phone 
(908) 222-2392 fax 
d.pappas at kodeos.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Wing tube phenolic repair "help"


Anthony,
There should be a false rib near the end of the socket, usually made out of 1/8 lite ply. If there's not one there, you need a new set of wings unless you can figure out a way to put one in there after the fact.
 
Verne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Anthony  <mailto:aabdu at sbcglobal.net> Abdullah 
To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:42 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Wing tube phenolic repair "help"

I was just about finished setting up my Odyssey when I noticed that the wing seemed a little loose. If I hold the fuselage the right wing panel can wiggle up and down a noticable amount. I thought that maybe the tube mount at the fuse was loose but that was not the case. As it turns out, the phenolic in my completed wing is loose about 3/4 of the way down and is wiggling around. It almost feels like the foam in the sheeted foam core wing has been somehow dislodged and the phenolic is in just a hollow cavern instead of solidly glued to the wing. It is still glued solid at the root so it won't slide out, but it obviously can not be flown in that condition.
 
Question:
How do I go about repairing the foam that the phenolic mounts to? The wing is sheeted, covered, and trimmed (complete) and I would like to keep from having to start all over again. Getting out the old one will also be an issue as it is still partially glued in. 
 
I am open to any and all suggestions.
 
Thanks in advance
Anthony   
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