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<DIV><SPAN class=843033913-14082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Anthony,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=843033913-14082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
repait wasn't that heavy: after all, the little brooomstick pillars were not
even 1/4" tall.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=843033913-14082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Anthing more than light-ply is overkill.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=843033913-14082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Anthony
Abdullah<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 11, 2006 4:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Wing tube phenolic
repair "help"<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Dean,</DIV>
<DIV>I hadn't thought of that, but wasn't that repair kind of heavy? I think
it is hilarious that you covered them in yellow!<BR></DIV>
<DIV>I am fairly certain that I will use the false rib from the bottom
technique to fix it. I will take great care to cut a uniform slot where the
rib fits in snug, particularly around the phenolic. That should provide lots
of surface area to transfer the load to the entire foam core wing panel.
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Next question:</DIV>
<DIV>What should I make the rib out of? Would a balsa rib laminated in carbon
fiber be strong enough or should I just go with light ply? Of course
weight is an issue. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Should I still use Poly glue or would foam safe CA or 30 Minute epoxy be
better?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again for all of your great suggestions.</DIV>
<DIV>Anthony<BR><B><I>Dean Pappas <d.pappas@kodeos.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Verne, Hi Anthony,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
had to do such a fix maybe 14 years back on a Desire
120.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The foam started to tear away from the tube, just as you
describe.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
poked a 3/4" diameter hole in both sides of the wing just inboard of the end
of the tube.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Then I took a piece of broomstick, sanded a concave to mate to
the tube, and carved and sanded the other end to be flush to the top of the
sheeting.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>They went in with epoxy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Then a pair of 6" long, by 1-1/2" wide 1/32" plywood scabs were glued
to the outside of the sheeting like ribs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That way, the tube was supported by a 6" wide swath of sheeting, top
and bottom, with the load transferred by the broomstick
columns.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
covered the scabs before gluing, and because I wasn't bashful, I covered
them bright yellow which was not present anywhere else on the
plane.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think it was '92.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803282315-11082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Verne
Koester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 11, 2006 10:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Wing tube
phenolic repair "help"<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Anthony,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There should be a false rib near the end of the
socket, usually made out of 1/8 lite ply. If there's not one there, you
need a new set of wings unless you can figure out a way to put one in
there after the fact.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=aabdu@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net">Anthony
Abdullah</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 10, 2006
10:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Wing
tube phenolic repair "help"</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I was just about finished setting up my Odyssey when I noticed that
the wing seemed a little loose. If I hold the fuselage the right
wing panel can wiggle up and down a noticable amount. I
thought that maybe the tube mount at the fuse was loose but that
was not the case. As it turns out, the phenolic in my completed wing is
loose about 3/4 of the way down and is wiggling around. It almost feels
like the foam in the sheeted foam core wing has been
somehow dislodged and the phenolic is in just a hollow cavern
instead of solidly glued to the wing. It is still glued solid at
the root so it won't slide out, but it obviously can not be flown in
that condition.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Question:</DIV>
<DIV>How do I go about repairing the foam that the phenolic mounts to?
The wing is sheeted, covered, and trimmed (complete) and I would
like to keep from having to start all over again. Getting out the old
one will also be an issue as it is still partially glued in. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am open to any and all suggestions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks in advance</DIV>
<DIV>Anthony </DIV>
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