[NSRCA-discussion] me, at the Nats

Thu Aug 3 09:06:49 AKDT 2006

Nope!
         Your still illogical. Teams in the worlds are defined by countries. Are you saying pick a US team out of the Nationals p-07 group and score it? Still doesn't make sense.

Elucidate at your leisure!

Eric.

Can't do district results without contestant data files, which I would hastily add, I do not have access to this year - Eric.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JShulman 
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  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:03 PM
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  Eric,

  I don't think it's unfair to ask George about this. There is no need to define a "team" or what the "team" would be flying against. There were 8 finalists (even though one was a Canadian) that flew well enough to be in the finals, and I would just like to see how we did in the P-07. Remember, the Team at the Worlds is determined by P-07, and hypothetically looking at P-07 we would see who did the best (in George's eye) in P-07. Again, please remember, this is all for FUN and nothing more.

  Also, when are you going to have the District results for us Eric... it's only Excel...lol.

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.jasonshulman.com
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com 

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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Grow Pattern
    Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:09 PM
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    Jason,

    Ref. "Hey George, if you feel like it, how about posting the results of the Finalists P-07 rounds? See how a "Team" would have done."

    It's a bit unfair to ask Georgie to do that because he can't do it unless you, a) define a team and,  b) define what teams that team would be flying against.

    At one time I was hoping that we would have District team awards in our FAI prelims and in each of the other classes.  It would have been great to see which districts won a "National" team title. It did not have to be an AMA award but just like our district individual District champions it would have added a nice flavor. I think it was a wee bit too radical at the time.

    You could do it now. All you have to do is add up the top three scores from each district in each class. You could do it in Excel in about four minutes if you had the results files and plugged in a district column. 

    One for Rusty Dose perhaps?

    Regards,

    Eric.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: JShulman 
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      Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:52 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] me, at the Nats

      Hi George,

      Great write-up, again, and as always it's fun seeing how you scored us. It was great to sit and chat with you at the times we did.

      I really enjoyed this years Nats. I made it a point to make this a FUN Nats for myself, my friends and anyone that was around me. I think it happened. But I think it drained me of most of my energy, so next year I'll have to be more "serious".

      Just for fun, I dropped the lowest of each F-07 and Unknowns like we would to determine the winner and the results are as follows:

      Jay          F-07-1 = 998,   Unk -2 = 1000   Total = 1998

      Chip        F-07-2 = 971,   Unk -2 = 997      Total = 1968

      Don         F-07-1 = 965,   Unk - 1 =1000    Total = 1965

      Sean       F-07-2 = 984,   Unk - 1 = 978     Total = 1962

      QQ          F-07-1 = 959,   Unk - 1 = 987     Total = 1946

      Andrew  F-07-1 = 1000,  Unk-2 = 942       Total = 1942

      Dave L   F-07-2 = 946,    Unk - 1 = 959     Total = 1905

      Chad      F-07-1 = 895,    Unk-2 = 911       Total = 1806

      As you can see, the results changed a little bit: 1st = Jay, 2nd = Chip, 3rd = Don, 4th = Sean, 5th = QQ, 6th = Andrew, 7th = Dave L., 8th = Chad

      Anyone else have a "score card" to add to the fun?

      Hey George, if you feel like it, how about posting the results of the Finalists P-07 rounds? See how a "Team" would have done.
      Regards,
      Jason
      www.jasonshulman.com
      www.shulmanaviation.com
      www.composite-arf.com 

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        From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of george w. kennie
        Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:23 PM
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        Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] me, at the Nats

        OK Guys, here goes............................

        2006 Nats is history and being there was, as always, a priviledge that I will probably not be able to enjoy for too many more years, but the experience creates an indelible memory event that burns in your psyche for an indefinite period of time.

        The really special part of the experience is the people. I think that this is my 5th year and renewing aquaintances previously made and meeting new people is fabulous. I arrived Sat nite and got my tent set up in it's usual place and realized that it was still light out as this is the first year that Indiana has gone on Daylight Savings time so it was light out 'til almost quarter to ten. There was more than one nite that Sean McMurtry was actually flying at 9:30 P.M.

        Sunday morning saw me out on the flight line early and Troy was putting up some practice flights and we spent a few minutes discussing/sharing flight elements and execution anomalies and corrective inputs. Received so many familiar hellos from the likes of Earl, Robert G., Harry Ells, the Canadians, the D1 guys, and so many that they are too numerous to mention. Also spent quite a few minutes talking with Sean who is a real friendly individual and a real gentleman, who informed me that he was competing with Naruke's actual airplane. That thing was gorgeous and the detail of the craftsmanship was astounding.The pipe mount was to die for! Instantaneously removable and absolutely foolproof ! What a work of art.

        Up to now I had been at site 1 so I decided to go over to site 3 and see what was going on over there. As I was driving over, I thought to myself, "it's only 9:30 and if this was over right now, I have already had the greatest time, and the contest hasn't even started yet. At site 3 it was almost a repeat of greetings and after a settling down period I started to watch some practice flights. Jim Woodward showed that his efforts over the last year were not wasted as his flying was top notch.Jim decided that his electric was not giving him the best opportunity for the scores he felt he was capable of so after a couple of days with the electric he made the switch to glow and felt that he did indeed improve his standings.

        At one point, I was sitting out under the judges sunshade during a practice session observing the flyers executing their sequences and who pulls up a chair and begins to chat , but Jason. Now I have to tell you that Jason really didn't know me from Adam and yet he was the most affable friendly guy you could ever hope to meet. I teased the daylights out of him about getting a haircut and tried a whole bunch of stuff to rattle his cage and he would just come back with a quick quip and put you totally at ease. What a wonderful kid !!!!!!!!!! I love'im (and no, that didn't influence my scores)

        All the old stand-bys were there to keep everything running smoothly. Bobby Stout, John and Bill, Jerry P., line chiefs that I didn't know, but everybody did a teriffic job of making it a well run event.

        I met some neat new guys on site 4. There was a fellow flying a Nat Penton Voodoo Express ( I think his name was Lewis). Another kid flying an Adrenaline named Paul Futey. It was great to see again Carl Zavalney, and Keith Black and it's impossible to remember everybody, but like I said, you really feel that this is a special experience.

        Monday morning I got into my trusty chair behind the flight line and did some P07 scoring to try to sharpen up my judging skills in preparation for the real serious stuff. I Scored the guys that I thought would be in the thick of it at the end on site one, first round. One individual that impressed me was Chad Northeast.Chad was flying an airplane called a Twister that I think is a Synergy derivitive powered by a Plettenberg electric and it was balletic. The plane flew, what appeared to me, to fly slower than anybody else's electric and Chad was quite precise in his execution. I let him know that I thought he was doing well after his flight. I discovered later when I checked my numbers that his scores were a little lower than most of the top guys, but there's something about his presentation that keeps you rivetted. His is indeed a very pleasant presentation. After that round I went to site 3 and scored a few guys over there, knowing that at this juncture in time, all that I was doing was getting a feel for consistancy.

        The first 3 days were spent trying to get my head to interpret what my eyes were seeing, but on the 4th day things really got heated up ( of course Muncie was it's usual high temp environment as well). I feel that being away from the competition environment for a year and being a year older that I'm starting to lose a little of my sharpness and judging ability as I was concious at times that I was occasionally missing a few things, but I think the overall relativity of the scores that I arrived at are still consistant within that envelope.

        I found out that my position, 50 feet behind the judges does not afford me a view of the box constraints and although I scored Troy quite highly, I was advised later that he had quite a few box violations because he flew in too close which knocked him out of the finals.Needless to say, I was saddened to learn of this as he takes the sport very seriously and I like to see him do well. He had a really nice airplane and flew it with the skill of the top eschelon pilots. 

        Since returning home I have been quite busy so haven't had time to get to my scoring etchings till now. Seeing as Vicente was kind enough to send us Northerners a good dose of Kansas weather (it's 100 degrees here today) I have been quarantined to the indoors with a little extra time so I thought I would pull out my score sheets and run the numbers in order to see how I stacked up against the official results.

        This number thing is a real revelation. It seems to indicate trends and weaknesses and consistancy of each individual. Sometimes as you begin to tabulate the results it can get pretty scary when there are only 5 points separating the first 4 guys you've totalled. I felt, before I left for the Nats this year, that it was probably going to be a tight race, with Sean and Jason in attendance and was looking forward to the outcome with great anticipation.

        Last year I felt that Chip flew poorly and I was surprised to hear that he had done well at the Worlds. Well I have to tell you that this year he vindicated himself on my scorecard.He seems to have the ability to do better when the pressure is greatest and really comes through.

        The day of the finals was a nightmare !!!!!!!!!!! The day started out overcast, but not excessively windy, so the first round of F07 presented no more problems than anticipated and everyone flew O.K.

        Next came the first unknown and you begin to see in the scores areas of weaknesses and strengths in the different individuals. Some individuals displayed tremendous consistancy no matter what was thrown at them with their scores staying within close proximities (Chad, Chip, Jay, QQ). It's probably unfair to some individuals to rate them in exactly this way due to rthe extreme weather that blew in for the last couple of rounds.This contest may have had a totally different outcome without the extremes of weather that these poor souls had to tolerate. In the final round, Dave L and Don were required to fly in winds that were just under the threshold (40mph) and it hadn't let up very much when Chip flew last and almost won the round on my scorecard.

        Please remember, these are only MY reflections, and there is no way to verify my qualifications for my conclusions or even indicate that I know what I'm talking about, however, what is certainly true is that these eight individuals flew very difficult sequences in a manner that was exemplary and with extremely closely matched performances. This was tight flying my friends !!!!!!!!

        Here's what I have:

        Andrew, F-07-1 = 1000, F-07-2 = 1000, Unk -1 = 937, Unk-2 = 942 Total = 3879

        Chad, F-07-1 = 895, F-07-2 = 894, Unk - 1 = 895, Unk-2 = 911 Total = 3595

        Chip, F-07-1 = 964, F-07-2 = 971, Unk - 1 = 989, Unk -2 = 997 Total = 3921

        Dave L F-07-1 = 905, F-07-2 = 946, Unk - 1 = 959, Unk -2 = 903 Total = 3713

        Don F-07-1 = 965, F-07-2 = 954, Unk - 1 =1000, Unk -2 = 923 Total = 3842

        Jay F-07-1 = 998, F-07-2 = 961, Unk - 1 = 989, Unk -2 = 1000 Total = 3948

        Sean F-07-1 = 960, F-07-2 = 984, Unk - 1 = 978, Unk - 2 = 879 Total = 3801

        QQ F-07-1 = 959, F-07-2 = 958, Unk - 1 = 987, Unk - 2 = 942 Total = 3846

        My numbers indicate an order of finish as follows: 1st = Jay, 2nd = Chip, 3rd = Andrew, 4th = QQ, 5th = Don, 6th = Sean, 7th = Dave L., 8th = Chad .

        I had no idea what these numbers were going to show until today and am as surprised as anybody. I think Chad's one point consistancy over the first three rounds astounding. Chip worked at keeping his scores up every round to win a well deserved second. Andrew, make yourself up an unknown sequence every week and work on unfamiliar stuff. It's obvious you nail everything you get to practice (you surprised me). Don was unfairly sentenced in the final round. Just wait 'til next year.

        Great work you guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Georgie

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