[NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot

Nat Penton natpenton at centurytel.net
Mon Apr 3 21:36:40 AKDT 2006 

Bravo Dave, we can be on the same team         Nat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Burton" <burtona at bellsouth.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot


> One of the things I've always liked about Pattern is competing against the
> best in whatever class I've ever flown. I don't want a separate category 
> for
> the "Unsponsored Loser", or a separate category for the "Older Losers" or
> any category other than the class I fly. I probably won't win anymore in 
> FAI
> due to: (1) lack of talent to begin with, (2) lack of Practice, (3) being 
> 65
> years old with all the problems that brings, (4) obsolete equipment, and 
> any
> other excuse I can think of. But don't patronize me with a separate class.
> I'll fly as best I can against the big boys and just have fun wherever I
> place.
> Please, no more whining about sponsored pilots. They have earned what they
> get from their sponsors because their sponsors think it's good for 
> business.
> If you think they have an advantage, so what. Just fly better!
> Dave Burton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Grow
> Pattern
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:39 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>
>
> BTW - in my original postings I was only leading to suggesting the thought
> that the winners who are not sponsored should be recognized within a class
> and or given their own "highest amateur award, or something like that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>
>
>>I wish to offend no one, but wanted to give another perspective.
>>
>> I'm SURE that sponsorship is an advantage....but it is still up to the
>> pilot to get out there and practice with determination and the intent to
>> be the best he can be.  Yeah, I wish I didn't have to risk so much money
>> every time that bird goes in the air. But, sponsorship probably doesn't
>> buy personal satisfaction for many.  We are all trying to be the best we
>> can even if our funds or participation is limited.  We are striving for
>> that perfect flight, for equipment that is reliable, for airplanes that
>> keep getting better, for friendships that grow & grow. We could probably
>> spend far less money and buy trophies or plaques...but the real value in
>> competition is FUN....FUN....FUN.  It doesn't seem to matter where I've
>> been...I've had a great time and everyone helps everyone get their
>> rounds in...even if they know that pilot could beat them out of that
>> round.  Never have I seen so many good people, trying so hard to become
>> their personal best no matter what their interest in competition.  Some
>> guys are striving to be the best pilots, best designers, best builders,
>> best innovators...but mainly they are trying to see that competition
>> flying stays healthy and will do their dead-level best to promote anyone
>> to their best.  I haven't flown with anyone I didn't like, admire or
>> respect in one way or another.  Sponsors...please keep sponsoring...may
>> you sell tons of stuff and may the sport live on and prosper.  Thanks to
>> anyone who encourages another...that is what makes the sport grow. I've
>> been blessed to see few sour grapes....most of the guys are just glad to
>> spend a weekend flying their best with friends, family and new
>> acquaintances.
>>
>> To all the sponsored guys....thanks for your promotion, hard work, and
>> for showing us your skills.  I love to watch good flying regardless of
>> who's doing it, or how many advantages they may have...more power to
>> you!  I was fortunate enough to spend a nats next door to Quique and his
>> family.  I caught Quique at his van checking equipment, as I was doing,
>> and we talked for a while.  I discovered that this great pilot loves all
>> this stuff just like I do.... You top guys just keep flying pretty and
>> we'll always have something to aim for....:)  Oh, and along the
>> way...thanks for the show!
>>
>> "It's not the destination, It's the Journey"   (What makes the journey
>> worthwhile?)
>>
>> In any case, I wish to participate to any degree that I can. Sometimes
>> when I'm practicing I see something come together really well and it
>> makes me feel precise..and I'm like: "Yeah baby"....that's why I like to
>> fly pattern!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>> Wickizer
>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:49 PM
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>>
>> How many pilots in Intermediate and Advanced have an advantage due to
>> sponsorship?
>>
>>
>>>From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>>>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:42:13 -0400
>>>
>>>Sponsorship does have negative aspects also Nat.  Well true, that the
>>>majority of sponsored pilots have garnered their sponsorship through
>> their
>>>genuine ability this has not always been the case. Sponsorship, can
>> give
>>>some pilots, if all other things are equal regarding skill an
>> advantage. Is
>>>very similar to the argument that it is not the equipment... BUT the
>> skill
>>>of the pilot that is truly the difference. The truth is better
>> equipment,
>>>whether obtained through ones own pockets that may be deeper than
>> others or
>>>through sponsorship does make the workload less for the competitive
>> pilot
>>>so they can focus more of their energy on improving their skills.  The
>>>disadvantaged always have a harder time overcoming obstacles that money
>> or
>>>sponsorship does allow. IMHO.
>>>     The raw numbers of competitors is low enough without making a new
>>>group of sponsored pilots. But it might help if sponsored pilots were
>> only
>>>allowed in the Masters & FAI classes if there ever was a need to
>> address
>>>the issue.
>>>
>>>                  Del
>>>           nsrca - 473
>>>
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: Nat Penton
>>>   To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>>   Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:29 PM
>>>   Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>>>
>>>
>>>   The sponsored pilot received his sponsorship because of his skill
>> and
>>>dedication. He did not gain competitive advantage due to the
>> sponsorship.
>>>It is a priviledge and opportunity to be able to fly alongside this
>> talent
>>>and partake of their skills and knowledge. It is one aspect of the
>> hobby
>>>for which I am most appreciative.
>>>
>>>   There have been infrequent critizisms thru the years wanting to put
>> the
>>>sponsored pilot in a separate group. Maybe "sour grapes" should just
>> work a
>>>little harder.
>>>                                                   Nat Penton
>>>
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