calling complete for new takeoff

[Lewis, Richard]

I would love nothing more than to see a ruling/clarification from the
AMA Contest board to the effect you state below....problem solved,
discussion complete until time for a re-write in the future rules cycle.
 
Until then, as a contestant or judge, it is inappropriate and goes
against all that is good about pattern to interpret the "spirit" of the
written rule and judge takeoffs/landing to whatever standard my "common
sense" provides.  After all, my "common sense" and yours may not be the
same...I may see it "common sense" to do a humpty-bump with a full roll
in the downline to turnaround and set up for final after ending downwind
on the intermediate sequence, while your common sense may see it as a
nice round zero....
 
It appears that what the CD's (at least so far in D6) seem to be doing
is applying their own "common sense", and allowing some discussion at
the pilot meetings and then announcing that a runway landing is a 10 and
off-runway landing is  zero...same for takeoffs.  It's unfortunate that
this is having to be done this way, and it may be setting up more than a
few contestants for alot of zeros at the Nats, where the AMA is king,
and you'll have the same folks who's "common sense" created the rule
running the show...somehow.
 
Richard
 
 
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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Grow Pattern
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:08 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff


The spirit of the new rule is to get us to take-off, execute a
positioning procedure before we enter the box. WITHOUT goofing around.
Similarly for landings.
 
The English is off a little but common sense should prevail especially
as the season wears on. Just remember that idea was to save time during
a contest and then it should work.
 
Having judged the FAI  procedures I can tell you that it is a pain
watching a plane for all of the flight. C'est la vie!
 
Regards,
 
Eric.
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Charlie Rock <mailto:crock at kc.rr.com>  
	To: discussion at nsrca.org 
	Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:17 PM
	Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff

	I agree what was broken with the way of years past...Nothing
that I have seen..I can not wait for the my first contest and hear a
zero called for a takeoff that was perfectly good last year and now is a
zero for no wings level or some such..Charlie

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Grow Pattern <mailto:pattern4u at comcast.net>  
		To: discussion at nsrca.org 
		Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:52 AM
		Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff

		The FAI system is a take-off procedure and landing
procedure. They also use a time-to-do-the-schedule system. They changed
over to the 0  or 10 system to prevent hot-dogging, time-wasting and
maneuver practicing during a contest.
		 
		Did we have that problem? What was broken??
		 
		Eric.

			----- Original Message ----- 
			From: Don Ramsey <mailto:don.ramsey at cox.net>  
			To: discussion at nsrca.org 
			Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:10 AM
			Subject: calling complete for new takeoff

			
			The simple answer is call the takeoff complete
when it is complete and that is when the turnaround is done just before
the call for "entering the box."  Call the landing when it begins and
that is just after the last maneuver in the sequence or after the plane
is "out of the box" at the end of the sequence.  You could call "exit
the box, landing sequence".  The landing is complete after the model has
rolled 10 meters and is below flying speed.  The question is, what is
the downgrade if the calls are not made?  The only downgrade is 10
points resulting is zero if this was the intent of the regs (I'm almost
certain this was not intended).  There are areas of the new rules that
seem to leave some area for wiggle here so I'll have something official
on this soon.
			 
			Don 
			 
			----- Original Message ----- 

				From: Steven Maxwell
<mailto:patternrules at earthlink.net>  
				To: discussion at nsrca.org 
				Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:17 AM
				Subject: Re: calling complete for new
takeoff

				The main question came from a new
sportsman pilot that will be atending his first contest next weekend, he
helped scribe last year at the D4 D5 shootout and knows how it was done
last year, it's a real simple question and theres not an answer to it
yet.
				 When does he call complete for takeoff?
				 When does he call start for the
landing? 
				 
				 Steve Maxwell 
				 
				 

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