Pattern Box Rules (discussion)

[Ed Miller]

Buck Rodgers looking pattern planes ?? They were cool. Fast and low is where 
it's at. And today we have the "Guppy" look. Slow, quiet and about as 
exciting as watching my beard turn gray. I do like the quiet though ( comes 
with the over 40 syndrome of reading glasses and years of telling rugrats to 
shut up ). What will tomorrow bring ??? : )
Ed M.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Richards" <bob at toprudder.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)


> Dean,
>
> Pre turnaround, I liked to fly close in, whether I
> scored well or not (equivalent of Intermediate and
> Advanced classes). I probably flew no more than 75
> meters out, and low.  Pre-turnarond, at least we had
> the option to fly any distance we wanted.
>
> That is the part I liked about pre-turnaround.
> Overall, I like turnaround since it is more like
> full-scale aerobatics. I even flew a scale plane in
> Masters. And I still like to fly as close in as
> possible. There is something beautiful about low and
> slow using good throttle management. I don't
> particularly miss the Buck Rodgers looking pattern
> ships of the 70s and 80s with the piped .60s screaming
> at 18k rpm. Well, OK, I DID kinda like the EU1A. :-)
>
> Throttle management is something that ANY flyer could
> learn. How often do you see someone learning to fly,
> and their trainer is FULL THROTTLE for the entire
> flight. IMHO, that is one of the biggest problems with
> models and noise today, but that is getting a little
> off topic....
>
> Bob R.
>
> --- Dean Pappas <d.pappas at kodeos.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>> I'm really not looking to argue with you, but that's
>> not where we used to fly, back pre-Turnaround.
>> Oh yeah, some of us flew close in, and there were
>> regional variations (you couldn't score for beans on
>> Long Island twenty five years ago if you didn't do
>> your rolls over the runway at less than 50 feet) but
>> by and large we flew right at 150 meters and maybe
>> farther for some tall stuff. Most flew bottoms well
>> over 100', and tops on some stuff often violated the
>> 45 degree maneuver box a bit. Look at it another
>> way, we were not flying smaller, with our 120 MPH
>> planes, and the square loop with 1/2 rolls was
>> supposed to stay under 45 degrees. They were flown
>> far out.
>>
>> Now a statement like that, I need to prove. The last
>> non turnaround Team Trials was held in '83 at Rough
>> River Falls Ky. There is a road parallel to the
>> runway and it was measured at about 175 meters away.
>> We were asked, midway through the contest, to stop
>> flying over and past the road. There were businesses
>> and houses there.
>>
>> Early after Turnaround, the same was true, on the
>> same site. Nowadays, there is still a contest there.
>> OK ... who has attended that contest the last couple
>> of years? Do they still have a constant problem with
>> road overflight?
>>
>> Turnaround really has reduced our noise footprint.
>>
>> later,
>> Dean
>>
>>
>
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