[SPAM] Re: New Sequences
Jerry Budd
jerry at buddengineering.com
Sat Jun 11 09:55:09 AKDT 2005
Keith,
I fully understand what you are saying. I just don't think I should
be downgraded for having held my line almost perfectly simply because
the next maneuver is a non-option wind correction maneuver.
"Practic[ing] the heck out of it and plan[ing] ahead in the sequence
so I[t] can be positioned correctly" doesn't solve the problem, it's
a compromise work-around to the problem. Adjusting your distance to
allow for exiting the top hat on line means that you had to
compromise your entry line on the previous maneuver(s) and there
would be a downgrade somewhere. Should a pilot have to intentionally
fly a maneuver incorrectly in order to avoid a downgrade in a
subsequent maneuver? One would hope not, but that is exactly what is
happening in the new Masters pattern whenever there is a crosswind
component present.
WRT #1 below - I did win, but that isn't why I'm voicing my opinion on this.
WRT #2 below - Everyone else was already out (due to the crosswind
having blown them out) and used the Top Hat to reestablish their
position. I was right over the poles entering the Top Hat and had no
where to go with it. It was a strong crosswind so taking it in left
me in too close and taking it out left me way out. There was no way
to do the Top Hat correctly and not be penalized somewhere, either in
having the Top Hat look odd because I had to cut the top line so
short, or being off line doing the next maneuver (reverse knife edge).
I stand by my statement. A wind correction maneuver that forces a
correction to be made is not a very good wind correction maneuver.
Having a compromised maneuver in a sequence means that it isn't
possible to perform the sequence correctly. The entire sequence is
compromised and that just doesn't seem acceptable to me. We should
expect (and demand) better.
Are you going to the Nats? If so, perhaps we should discuss this
over many beers? ;-) Hey, even Verne could join us on this one!
Thx, Jerry
>Jerry, I'm not missing your point, I understand exactly what you're saying.
>Truth is I hate the top hat for the very same reason, however, rather than
>considering removing it my attitude is to practice the heck out of it and
>plan ahead in the sequence so I can be positioned correctly. If it's REALLY
>hard and takes extra preparation and I can be smarter than the other fliers
>then I'll win. As to those who benefit from it by being out of position
>there's two ways of looking at that. 1) If they're having such trouble
>staying in position then your overall flight should easily beat them, 2) If
>they've drifted in just prior to the Top Hat... maybe they're not out of
>position, maybe they planned ahead...?
>
>Keith Black
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Budd" <jerry at buddengineering.com>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 2:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
>
>
>> I think some of you are missing the point.
>>
>> In a contest we had earlier this year there was a pretty stiff
>> quartering crosswind blowing out. On my first three flights I nailed
>> the crosswind correction such that I held the plane over the poles
>> with almost no variance. When I hit the top hat I was forced
>> (because there is no "option" with that maneuver) to take it either
>> in or out, when in fact there was no correction needed - I was
>> already on the desired line. I wound up in a worse position (I went
>> in twice and out once) as far as the line is concerned because of it.
>>
>> Because I had almost perfectly held the line prior to the maneuver I
>> was penalized after the wind correction maneuver by being in (or out)
>> more than what was appropriate, while those who were in trouble with
>> the cross wind prior to the wind correction maneuver actually
>> benefited from the maneuver.
>>
> > IMHO, a wind correction maneuver that forces a correction to be made
> > is not a very good wind correction maneuver.
>>
>> Eric's right, there should be an option for any wind correction
>> maneuver that allows the pilot who doesn't need (or want) the
> > correction to not make it.
>>
>> Thx, Jerry
>>
>>
>> > > It's also not really a top hat. More of a square loop with 1/2 rolls
>on
>> >the verticals.
>> >
>> >And not NEARLY as difficult in my opinion. Part of what makes the Top Hat
>> >difficult *is* the cross box component and how one has to deal with wind
>> >corrections. Cross box with a head wind is tricky, going straight into
>the
>> >wind would be much easier.
>> >
>> >To some degree I feel this falls under the category of "he who can do it
>> >best scores best". SURE it's hard, but it separates the good pilots from
>> >the great pilots. After all, it's called MASTERS.
>> >
>> >Keith Black
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> >To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:32 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
>> >
>> >
>> >> Troy,
>> >> It has possibilities. However, the inline version (1/2 rolls) leaves
>you
>> >> inverted if you started upright and vice-versa. It's also not really a
>top
>> >> hat. More of a square loop with 1/2 rolls on the verticals. Still, it
>> >could
>> >> work as an option with the traditional crossbox, 1/4 roll top hat.
>> >>
>> >> Man, that's giving me a headache. Hittin the rack so I can leave for
>> >Muncie
>> >> in the morning.....
>> >>
>> >> Verne
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
>> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:44 PM
>> >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >a top hat with options type of thing?
>> >> >
>> >> > do it inline flat an inverted at the top
>> >> > ????
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Troy
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> >> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:32 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: New Sequences
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> How about if all "cross-box" type maneuvers were designed with
>> >"in-line"
>> >> >> options, then we meet correction and no-correction required needs.
>The
>> >> >> turnaround top-hat is a bit of an anomaly in that it forces you in
>or
>> >> >> out. The humpty with options is much more versatile and pilot
>friendly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> > > >> Eric.
>>
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