[SPAM] Re: New Sequences

[Keith Black]

Jerry, I'm not missing your point, I understand exactly what you're saying.
Truth is I hate the top hat for the very same reason, however, rather than
considering removing it my attitude is to practice the heck out of it and
plan ahead in the sequence so I can be positioned correctly. If it's REALLY
hard and takes extra preparation and I can be smarter than the other fliers
then I'll win. As to those who benefit from it by being out of position
there's two ways of looking at that. 1) If they're having such trouble
staying in position then your overall flight should easily beat them, 2) If
they've drifted in just prior to the Top Hat... maybe they're not out of
position, maybe they planned ahead...?

Keith Black

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Budd" <jerry at buddengineering.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences


> I think some of you are missing the point.
>
> In a contest we had earlier this year there was a pretty stiff
> quartering crosswind blowing out.  On my first three flights I nailed
> the crosswind correction such that I held the plane over the poles
> with almost no variance.  When I hit the top hat I was forced
> (because there is no "option" with that maneuver) to take it either
> in or out, when in fact there was no correction needed - I was
> already on the desired line.  I wound up in a worse position (I went
> in twice and out once) as far as the line is concerned because of it.
>
> Because I had almost perfectly held the line prior to the maneuver I
> was penalized after the wind correction maneuver by being in (or out)
> more than what was appropriate, while those who were in trouble with
> the cross wind prior to the wind correction maneuver actually
> benefited from the maneuver.
>
> IMHO, a wind correction maneuver that forces a correction to be made
> is not a very good wind correction maneuver.
>
> Eric's right, there should be an option for any wind correction
> maneuver that allows the pilot who doesn't need (or want) the
> correction to not make it.
>
> Thx, Jerry
>
>
> >  > It's also not really a top hat. More of a square loop with 1/2 rolls
on
> >the verticals.
> >
> >And not NEARLY as difficult in my opinion. Part of what makes the Top Hat
> >difficult *is* the cross box component and how one has to deal with wind
> >corrections. Cross box with a head wind is tricky, going straight into
the
> >wind would be much easier.
> >
> >To some degree I feel this falls under the category of "he who can do it
> >best scores best".  SURE it's hard, but it separates the good pilots from
> >the great pilots. After all, it's called MASTERS.
> >
> >Keith Black
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> >To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:32 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
> >
> >
> >>  Troy,
> >>  It has possibilities. However, the inline version (1/2 rolls) leaves
you
> >>  inverted if you started upright and vice-versa. It's also not really a
top
> >>  hat. More of a square loop with 1/2 rolls on the verticals. Still, it
> >could
> >>  work as an option with the traditional crossbox, 1/4 roll top hat.
> >>
> >>  Man, that's giving me a headache. Hittin the rack so I can leave for
> >Muncie
> >>  in the morning.....
> >>
> >>  Verne
> >>
> >>
> >>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>  From: "Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
> >>  To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>  Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:44 PM
> >>  Subject: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
> >>
> >>
> >>  >a top hat with options type of thing?
> >>  >
> >>  > do it inline flat an inverted at the top
> >>  > ????
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Troy
> >>  > ----- Original Message -----
> >>  > From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> >>  > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>  > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:32 PM
> >>  > Subject: Re: New Sequences
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >> How about if all "cross-box" type maneuvers were designed with
> >"in-line"
> >>  >> options, then we meet correction and no-correction required needs.
The
> >>  >> turnaround top-hat is a bit of an anomaly in that  it forces you in
or
> >>  >> out. The humpty with options is much more versatile and pilot
friendly.
> >>  >>
> >>  >> Regards,
> >>  >>
> >  > >> Eric.
>
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