[SPAM] Re: New Sequences

Thu Jun 9 12:45:02 AKDT 2005

Ron,
I flew in a contest with Ed 4 or 5 years ago and remember him as being VERY capable.....

Verne
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Van Putte 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences

  On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Ed Hartley wrote:

    Well said Verne! Since I reached the ripe young age of seventy-three and for flying purposes became a one eyed pilot, I can appreciate the class thing. I am still trying to fly Masters but it really is an uphill battle. Not like it was even ten years ago!

  Don't let Ed Hartley tell you he's an old guy. He just looks old. Anyone with the enthusiasm and drive that Ed has can't be all that old. He's still a pretty good pilot, too. When the dust cleared at the Knoxville contest, he'd beaten at least three other pilots, me included. I think this "one-eyed pilot" story is just a plea for better scores.

  Ron Van Putte

    I am trying with great difficulty to stay away from the "why-bother" level!

    Best,
    Ed Hartley
    roho2 at rcpattern.com

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Verne Koester 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:12 AM
      Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences

      Terry,
      There are rules proposals in the survey that cover your situation. Many of them make a lot of sense, at least to me. You can find them as well as the proposed schedules on the NSRCA site. It's a little tricky, but we have to deal with the fact that there are a lot of guys who just love to fly pattern, support our contests and are our friends that won't make it to the top. The reasons can be job/family demands, financial, skill or deteriorating skill with age, or any number of other factors. The trick is to adopt rules that accommodate those things while still preventing the trophy hog from laying around in a class year after year. Some of the proposals address those things and merit all of our attention. If we ignore them, we'll find our already-shrinking local contests reduced to a "why-bother" level.

      Verne

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Terry Terrenoire 
        To: discussion at nsrca.org 
        Cc: discussion at nsrca.org 
        Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:37 AM
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences

        Just another comment. Keep in mind that I have not seen the new sequence yet.

        I have been flying Advance since 1989, before turnaround. I don't believe I have won a contest in that time, and have had only a couple of 2nds. Right now, I am looking at the jump to Masters as being too big for me. I have learned to handle the current schedule, maybe not as smoothly as most, but I can get thru the sequence without embarresing myself.

        If the new sequence is "easier", I can see myself in a position where I could be winning some contests, and would be forced out of the class, again with a much bigger leap to a class I feel is already beyond my abilities.

        At my age, learning new tricks, when the old have not been perfected, may just push some of us in similar situations completely out of the mix.

        Terry T.

        On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Rodney Tanner <rodney19821982 at yahoo.com> writes:

          Bill, Mike:
          I see the argument for a smoother transition between 402 and 403 and in the context of the overall progression through the classes it is probably a valid one, especially for the Intermediate guy coming up. Personally, though,  I am glad for the leap I am going through in the current 403 - Advanced  and can´t wait to go up to Masters, which I now see as more of a logical step up, rather than the big, intentional, leap it will be in the future. 
          Good job guys.

          Rodney 

          Mike Hester <kerlock at comcast.net> wrote:

            What Bill said.

            We had 2 choices to smooth out that huge leap between 402 and 403: make 402
            tougher or make 403 slightly easier. The overwhelming majority was against
            making 402 any tougher, so we went this way. Like Bill said, look at the
            schedules in relation to each other and consider that carefully before
            anyone votes on them. There are a couple of ways we could end up with a
            worse problem than we currently have. My hope is everyone will put a lot of
            thought into their choices. I'm reminded of teh old knight at the end of
            Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade....."choose wisely". Look what happened
            to the guy that picked the wrong one. Eek.

            -Mike
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Bill Pritchett"
            To:
            Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:03 PM
            Subject: New Sequences

            > Rodney:
            > Both proposed Advanced schedules are "easier" than the current Advanced
            > schedule. This was one of the criteria that we worked with, based upon
            > overwhelming opinion that the jump to Advanced is currently too much. I
            > like both schedules (not because I'm on the committee...hehe), but what
            > this WILL do is make the jump to Masters much bigger for the guys that
            > will come through these schedules. I am sort of a victim of having made
            > the current jump, and now that I've made it, felt that I could objectively
            > help others coming up in seasons to come not deal with some of the issues
            > current Advanced flyers have had to handle. Our current schedule calls
            > for 10 maneuvers prior to a cross box turnaround. Although there is
            > discussion on the list right now about being on that "line", and a cross
            > box being a bother, let's face it, most Advanced flyers need to adjust
            > in/out earlier than 10 maneuvers in. Lots of thought and discussion went
            > into these, and I'm sure that everyone on the committee hopes that the
            > NSRCA membership takes a deep collective breath before making any
            > judgments. One thing we all tried to do is make it more even in jumps
            > between classes, up to Masters. We all seemed to agree that Masters
            > should be the "big" jump, and a jump that provides a class of
            > "Destination" for some, and FAI prep for others. I hope that you, and
            > others, will look at the proposed Advanced schedule as a part of the
            > whole, and not a direct comparison to the present.
            > Thanks
            > Bill
            >
            >
            > Bill Pritchett
            > 765-744-9322
            >
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