[SPAM] Re: New Sequences

Ron Van Putte vanputte at cox.net
Thu Jun 9 17:15:03 AKDT 2005 

On Jun 9, 2005, at 3:45 PM, Verne Koester wrote:

> Ron,
> I flew in a contest with Ed 4 or 5 years ago and remember him as being 
> VERY capable.....

Yeah.  Don't let him fool you with that "I can't fly well anymore 
because I'm so old and can't see either."  Crafty old buzzard!

Ron Van Putte

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ron Van Putte
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Ed Hartley wrote:
>>
>>> Well said Verne! Since I reached the ripe young age of seventy-three 
>>> and for flying purposes became a one eyed pilot, I can appreciate 
>>> the class thing. I am still trying to fly Masters but it really is 
>>> an uphill battle. Not like it was even ten years ago!
>>
>> Don't let Ed Hartley tell you he's an old guy. He just looks old. 
>> Anyone with the enthusiasm and drive that Ed has can't be all that 
>> old. He's still a pretty good pilot, too. When the dust cleared at 
>> the Knoxville contest, he'd beaten at least three other pilots, me 
>> included. I think this "one-eyed pilot" story is just a plea for 
>> better scores.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>>
>>> I am trying with great difficulty to stay away from the "why-bother" 
>>> level!
>>>  
>>> Best,
>>> Ed Hartley
>>> roho2 at rcpattern.com
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Verne Koester
>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:12 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
>>>>
>>>> Terry,
>>>> There are rules proposals in the survey that cover your situation. 
>>>> Many of them make a lot of sense, at least to me. You can find them 
>>>> as well as the proposed schedules on the NSRCA site. It's a little 
>>>> tricky, but we have to deal with the fact that there are a lot of 
>>>> guys who just love to fly pattern, support our contests and are our 
>>>> friends that won't make it to the top. The reasons can be 
>>>> job/family demands, financial, skill or deteriorating skill with 
>>>> age, or any number of other factors. The trick is to adopt rules 
>>>> that accommodate those things while still preventing the trophy hog 
>>>> from laying around in a class year after year. Some of the 
>>>> proposals address those things and merit all of our attention. If 
>>>> we ignore them, we'll find our already-shrinking local contests 
>>>> reduced to a "why-bother" level.
>>>>  
>>>> Verne
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Terry Terrenoire
>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> Cc: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:37 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
>>>>>
>>>>> Just another comment. Keep in mind that I have not seen the new 
>>>>> sequence yet.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I have been flying Advance since 1989, before turnaround. I don't 
>>>>> believe I have won a contest in that time, and have had only a 
>>>>> couple of 2nds. Right now, I am looking at the jump to Masters as 
>>>>> being too big for me. I have learned to handle the current 
>>>>> schedule, maybe not as smoothly as most, but I can get thru the 
>>>>> sequence without embarresing myself.
>>>>>  
>>>>> If the new sequence is "easier", I can see myself in a position 
>>>>> where I could be winning some contests, and would be forced out of 
>>>>> the class, again with a much bigger leap to a class I feel is 
>>>>> already beyond my abilities.
>>>>>  
>>>>> At my age, learning new tricks, when the old have not been 
>>>>> perfected, may just push some of us in similar situations 
>>>>> completely out of the mix.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Terry T.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Rodney Tanner 
>>>>> <rodney19821982 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>> Bill, Mike:
>>>>>> I see the argument for a smoother transition between 402 and 403 
>>>>>> and in the context of the overall progression through the classes 
>>>>>> it is probably a valid one, especially for the Intermediate guy 
>>>>>> coming up. Personally, though,  I am glad for the leap I am going 
>>>>>> through in the current 403 - Advanced  and can´t wait to go up to 
>>>>>> Masters, which I now see as more of a logical step up, rather 
>>>>>> than the big, intentional, leap it will be in the future. 
>>>>>> Good job guys.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Rodney 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Hester <kerlock at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> What Bill said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had 2 choices to smooth out that huge leap between 402 and 
>>>>>>> 403: make 402
>>>>>>> tougher or make 403 slightly easier. The overwhelming majority 
>>>>>>> was against
>>>>>>> making 402 any tougher, so we went this way. Like Bill said, 
>>>>>>> look at the
>>>>>>> schedules in relation to each other and consider that carefully 
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> anyone votes on them. There are a couple of ways we could end up 
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> worse problem than we currently have. My hope is everyone will 
>>>>>>> put a lot of
>>>>>>> thought into their choices. I'm reminded of teh old knight at 
>>>>>>> the end of
>>>>>>> Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade....."choose wisely". Look 
>>>>>>> what happened
>>>>>>> to the guy that picked the wrong one. Eek.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Bill Pritchett"
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: New Sequences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Rodney:
>>>>>>> > Both proposed Advanced schedules are "easier" than the current 
>>>>>>> Advanced
>>>>>>> > schedule. This was one of the criteria that we worked with, 
>>>>>>> based upon
>>>>>>> > overwhelming opinion that the jump to Advanced is currently 
>>>>>>> too much. I
>>>>>>> > like both schedules (not because I'm on the committee...hehe), 
>>>>>>> but what
>>>>>>> > this WILL do is make the jump to Masters much bigger for the 
>>>>>>> guys that
>>>>>>> > will come through these schedules. I am sort of a victim of 
>>>>>>> having made
>>>>>>> > the current jump, and now that I've made it, felt that I could 
>>>>>>> objectively
>>>>>>> > help others coming up in seasons to come not deal with some of 
>>>>>>> the issues
>>>>>>> > current Advanced flyers have had to handle. Our current 
>>>>>>> schedule calls
>>>>>>> > for 10 maneuvers prior to a cross box turnaround. Although 
>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>> > discussion on the list right now about being on that "line", 
>>>>>>> and a cross
>>>>>>> > box being a bother, let's face it, most Advanced flyers need 
>>>>>>> to adjust
>>>>>>> > in/out earlier than 10 maneuvers in. Lots of thought and 
>>>>>>> discussion went
>>>>>>> > into these, and I'm sure that everyone on the committee hopes 
>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>> > NSRCA membership takes a deep collective breath before making 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> > judgments. One thing we all tried to do is make it more even 
>>>>>>> in jumps
>>>>>>> > between classes, up to Masters. We all seemed to agree that 
>>>>>>> Masters
>>>>>>> > should be the "big" jump, and a jump that provides a class of
>>>>>>> > "Destination" for some, and FAI prep for others. I hope that 
>>>>>>> you, and
>>>>>>> > others, will look at the proposed Advanced schedule as a part 
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> > whole, and not a direct comparison to the present.
>>>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>>>> > Bill
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Bill Pritchett
>>>>>>> > 765-744-9322
>>>>>>> >
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