Flying the new sequences

Tue Jun 7 20:44:40 AKDT 2005

Eric,
Actually, we have TWO rolling maneuvers following a crossbox turnaround. The 
1/4, 1/2, 1/4 roll follows the crossbox humpty, and the reverse knife 
follows the crossbox top hat. I'm sure this sounds like a bunch of 
complaining, but my actual goal was to plant a seed that might result in 
some new turnarounds with options for future schedules. Currently, we have 
the humpty we/options as the sole available turnaround that offers the pilot 
the option of staying on his existing line or changing it. We could probably 
do something similar with a top hat where 1/2 rolls maintains your line and 
1/4 rolls provides adjustment. Collectively, we should be able to come up 
something new that we've never done before. In any case, I don't think we 
should ever have a forced crossbox in front of a roll.

I just glanced over the new proposed schedules and noted that doesn't occur 
in any of those. Obviously, the guys working on them deserve a lot of credit 
for getting it right! I know from experience what an arduous task it is to 
sit 5 or 6 pattern egos across from one another and hammer out a schedule 
that flows and presents well. Great job!!!!!!!

Verne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences

> Your right Verne,
>                             I just looked at the last few Masters 
> schedules and they don't have a roller after the TH.
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> I personally hate top-hats if there is not another cross-box, before or 
> after, at the other end. Should be a design rule.......
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> (I will always believe that the 2005-7 schedule was voted in due a very 
> unfortunate K-Factor misprint in one of the three schedule-offering in the 
> survey.)
>
> Eric.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>
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>> Joe,
>> That's my whole point. To do a nice job on either one of the rolls, you 
>> pretty much need to go to the edge of the box. At that point, you HAVE to 
>> go out or else you'll go out of the box. If you pull a little earlier so 
>> you'll have room to come in and still stay in the box, the box gets 
>> pretty narrow and you have to rush the roll that follows. I could be 
>> wrong, but I don't think Masters has ever had a schedule before where a 
>> rolling maneuver followed a forced, crossbox maneuver. Hopefully, we 
>> never will again.
>>
>> Verne
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>>
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>>> Verne, I refer to a good line as the proverbial no mans land <g>. Ah, 
>>> !@#$ which way do I go!
>>>
>>>>From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>>>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>>>>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:29:56 -0400
>>>>
>>>>Mark,
>>>>I'm talking about being the distance out you want to be and then having 
>>>>to either move in closer or further out because of a crossbox maneuver 
>>>>on the end. For me, that usually means that I'm flying the 1/4, 1/2, 1/4 
>>>>roll and the reverse knife edge further out than I want to be because of 
>>>>the crossbox maneuvers that precede both of them. In both cases, if you 
>>>>were on a good line (distance out) to begin with, choosing to come in on 
>>>>the crossbox turnaround shrinks the box too much and rushes the rolling 
>>>>maneuver that follows. The only option then, is to go out (as little as 
>>>>possible). In either case, the pilot's forced out of a good line, 
>>>>assuming he's on one.
>>>>
>>>>Verne
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   From: Atwood, Mark
>>>>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:14 PM
>>>>   Subject: RE: Flying the new sequences
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   LOL.Verne.that seems rather oxymoronic.  I can't be too perfect a 
>>>> line if you're not prepared for the upcoming maneuver! J
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>>>>   You're standards are just too high.  I'm not even close to a perfect 
>>>> line and I don't notice it at all!
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>>>>   From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:57 AM
>>>>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>   Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
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>>>>   Eric,
>>>>
>>>>   For me, it depends on positioning. As a general rule of thumb, I 
>>>> don't like doing a rolling maneuver after a forced cross-box maneuver 
>>>> because it almost always forces you to go out (on the cross box) when 
>>>> you might not otherwise. Actually, I wish we could come up with 
>>>> something new like the humpty w/options that provides the option to 
>>>> adjust or not adjust your line. As I fly the new Masters schedule, I 
>>>> find myself constantly messing up a perfectly good line because of 
>>>> forced, crossbox maneuvers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Verne
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