Flying the new sequences

Bill Pritchett phelps15 at comcast.net
Wed Jun 8 16:00:50 AKDT 2005 

Verne:
It has actually been a pleasure putting these together.  To the credit of 
those on the committee, all worked together for NSRCA.  We hope that 
everyone looks at ALL schedules, and considers the educational levels of 
achievement we wanted to address.  All of these were born of a criteria that 
required each level to contain specific elements of maneuvers that would 
lead to the next level of maneuvers.  It is our sincere hope that all of 
this will now make more sense to pilots emerging through the classes.
Thanks
Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences


> Eric,
> Actually, we have TWO rolling maneuvers following a crossbox turnaround. 
> The 1/4, 1/2, 1/4 roll follows the crossbox humpty, and the reverse knife 
> follows the crossbox top hat. I'm sure this sounds like a bunch of 
> complaining, but my actual goal was to plant a seed that might result in 
> some new turnarounds with options for future schedules. Currently, we have 
> the humpty we/options as the sole available turnaround that offers the 
> pilot the option of staying on his existing line or changing it. We could 
> probably do something similar with a top hat where 1/2 rolls maintains 
> your line and 1/4 rolls provides adjustment. Collectively, we should be 
> able to come up something new that we've never done before. In any case, I 
> don't think we should ever have a forced crossbox in front of a roll.
>
> I just glanced over the new proposed schedules and noted that doesn't 
> occur in any of those. Obviously, the guys working on them deserve a lot 
> of credit for getting it right! I know from experience what an arduous 
> task it is to sit 5 or 6 pattern egos across from one another and hammer 
> out a schedule that flows and presents well. Great job!!!!!!!
>
> Verne
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>
>
>> Your right Verne,
>>                             I just looked at the last few Masters 
>> schedules and they don't have a roller after the TH.
>>
>> I personally hate top-hats if there is not another cross-box, before or 
>> after, at the other end. Should be a design rule.......
>>
>> (I will always believe that the 2005-7 schedule was voted in due a very 
>> unfortunate K-Factor misprint in one of the three schedule-offering in 
>> the survey.)
>>
>> Eric.
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>>
>>
>>> Joe,
>>> That's my whole point. To do a nice job on either one of the rolls, you 
>>> pretty much need to go to the edge of the box. At that point, you HAVE 
>>> to go out or else you'll go out of the box. If you pull a little earlier 
>>> so you'll have room to come in and still stay in the box, the box gets 
>>> pretty narrow and you have to rush the roll that follows. I could be 
>>> wrong, but I don't think Masters has ever had a schedule before where a 
>>> rolling maneuver followed a forced, crossbox maneuver. Hopefully, we 
>>> never will again.
>>>
>>> Verne
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>>>
>>>
>>>> Verne, I refer to a good line as the proverbial no mans land <g>. Ah, 
>>>> !@#$ which way do I go!
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>>>>>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:29:56 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark,
>>>>>I'm talking about being the distance out you want to be and then having 
>>>>>to either move in closer or further out because of a crossbox maneuver 
>>>>>on the end. For me, that usually means that I'm flying the 1/4, 1/2, 
>>>>>1/4 roll and the reverse knife edge further out than I want to be 
>>>>>because of the crossbox maneuvers that precede both of them. In both 
>>>>>cases, if you were on a good line (distance out) to begin with, 
>>>>>choosing to come in on the crossbox turnaround shrinks the box too much 
>>>>>and rushes the rolling maneuver that follows. The only option then, is 
>>>>>to go out (as little as possible). In either case, the pilot's forced 
>>>>>out of a good line, assuming he's on one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Verne
>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>   From: Atwood, Mark
>>>>>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:14 PM
>>>>>   Subject: RE: Flying the new sequences
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   LOL.Verne.that seems rather oxymoronic.  I can't be too perfect a 
>>>>> line if you're not prepared for the upcoming maneuver! J
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   You're standards are just too high.  I'm not even close to a perfect 
>>>>> line and I don't notice it at all!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>   From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
>>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:57 AM
>>>>>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>   Subject: Re: Flying the new sequences
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Eric,
>>>>>
>>>>>   For me, it depends on positioning. As a general rule of thumb, I 
>>>>> don't like doing a rolling maneuver after a forced cross-box maneuver 
>>>>> because it almost always forces you to go out (on the cross box) when 
>>>>> you might not otherwise. Actually, I wish we could come up with 
>>>>> something new like the humpty w/options that provides the option to 
>>>>> adjust or not adjust your line. As I fly the new Masters schedule, I 
>>>>> find myself constantly messing up a perfectly good line because of 
>>>>> forced, crossbox maneuvers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Verne
>>>>
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