new patterns

Tue Jun 7 16:21:26 AKDT 2005

I refer to the aresti when the words are not clear or incomplete. They also 
help a lot when judging unknowns,

Eric.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: new patterns

> John:
> The big advantage of using Aresti is that it leaves nothing to doubt about 
> what is supposed to be flown (asuming you draw it right).  If you know how 
> to read it, there is nothing left to discuss about what you are expected 
> to do to fly each figure.  I'm probably the last guy to want to adopt 
> something just for the sake of doing something new, or because it's 
> foreign.
>
> BTW,  several of my friends from my IMAC days expressed a first time 
> interest in Pattern after I talked their ears off about it.  They WANT 
> Aresti's.  That's the language that they are used to seeing.
>
> Regards
> Ed
>
>>From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Subject: Re: new patterns
>>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:25:30 -0400
>>
>>I understand that many folks read and prefer the Areisti diagrams. To me 
>>they are a giant step back and are related to hieroglyphics found on cave 
>>walls. I bought a used Chrysler minivan nearly a year ago and it is still 
>>not clear to me what all the 'glyphs mean. I can recognize the heated seat 
>>switch now, but I still don't know which is warmer, the one with three 
>>dotted lines through it or the one with one dotted line through it.
>>
>>As near as I can figure, there are lots of folks enamored with all things 
>>foreign!
>>
>>
>>John Ferrell
>>http://DixieNC.US
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:30 AM
>>Subject: Re: new patterns
>>
>>
>>>List et al,
>>>
>>>The reality of this is the work that was done was submitted to the 
>>>President
>>>of the NSRCA. Before I was ready to release documents to the general 
>>>public,
>>>I was waiting for an approval by the Board. Not that there is anything
>>>hidden about it. Just that the Board commissioned the committee and it
>>>reports back to the Board. I have not heard any comments from the Board.
>>>Once the Board said OK it looks like you fulfilled the charter that you 
>>>were
>>>given.....then I was going to release the documents on the Internet. It 
>>>is
>>>my firm belief that the Board will be as pleased with the results as I. 
>>>If
>>>there were serious issues I would not have submitted the results 
>>>regardless
>>>of the Deadline. The old idea of the cook not showing the cake until he
>>>verifies the kids name is spelled correctly applies here. The Cake is on 
>>>its
>>>way the work is complete. I don't want to post something and then have it
>>>change in 2-3 days. This adds confusion to the situation. These are NSRCA
>>>proposals and as such the NSRCA Board of Directors should know what is 
>>>being
>>>done before its released to the hungry crowd. This is a formality that 
>>>was
>>>agreed upon before work was begun. June 1st was the deadline So its been
>>>just a few days since it was sent out to the VPs from Lamar. Lance I
>>>appreciate your comments as a member of the Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>For all of you that don't know. The new sequences will be presented in 
>>>both
>>>the traditional words as we have used in Pattern and also Aresti as a
>>>graphical shorthand. IMAC uses this graphical shorthand exclusively. Our
>>>section of the hobby is a little different, in the way things are done. 
>>>The
>>>words and the Aresti in FAI carry equal weight. A main reason for this is
>>>language barriers. The Aresti is more difficult to read sometimes, but 
>>>once
>>>you send a little time with it begins to make a huge amount of sense. We 
>>>in
>>>the F3A class flying unknowns use the Aresti to tell us the general
>>>shapes...what is this thing suppose to resemble? It works well. We as a
>>>committee felt that Aresti was a good thing to introduce to AMA pattern. 
>>>So
>>>I have the program and am currently getting all the Aresti documents 
>>>done.
>>>This is in addition to the traditional descriptions that we have had
>>>forever. So its like getting Peas and Carrots. Both serve a purpose and 
>>>will
>>>help define the figures they represent.
>>>
>>>To quickly answer a couple questions. FAI current has the golf ball and 
>>>the
>>>reverse golf ball in its catalog. It is basically a vertical gold fish or
>>>Half of a Cuban 8 that is vertical. The 45's cross with the roll elements
>>>and the loop is 3/4 of a circle. A Golf Ball has the loop at the top. So 
>>>the
>>>model pulls or pushes to a 45 upline performs the required roll element 
>>>on
>>>center  if there is a roll. Then Loops 270degs to the downline 45 and
>>>performs the required roll element on center.The rolls cross at center 
>>>like
>>>a Cuban 8.  So if you were to draw a Cuban 8 with only one of the loops 
>>>but
>>>both 45's...then turn it to the loop side up it looks like a golf ball
>>>sitting on a  tee. A Reverse Golf ball as in the proposed Masters for the
>>>Survey is this same figure but from the top and the loop portion is on 
>>>the
>>>bottom. IMAC and the current FAI patterns have a gold fish in them. The 
>>>golf
>>>ball is a vertical gold fish.
>>>
>>>Spring Coil. Basically this a variation on a figure 9....models performs
>>>1-1/2 loops at the top of a vertical upline. The figure in question has 
>>>the
>>>pilots option for inside or outside 1-1/2loop. Basically a figure 9 but
>>>instead of 270degs of loop its 540degs. This is 540degs of a circle to 
>>>come
>>>back down on a vertical. So its a figure 9 style maneuver that starts and
>>>ends at base altitude.
>>>
>>>Descriptors for new things are following however there are not many new
>>>figures.
>>>
>>>I know these have been flown a bunch. Both the guys in the groups that
>>>developed each set flew them and I as well as others flew them too.
>>>
>>>There are no secrets and everything will be posted and available to all. 
>>>I
>>>have been fighting a computer that locks up everytime I open
>>>word-excel-Explorer-visio. Luckily Email works. I hope Dell will have the
>>>solution on Friday of this coming week when the new box arrives. Amazing 
>>>how
>>>Win98 is not really supported and you get told if your machine is 5yrs 
>>>old
>>>its a piece of crap and throw it away. When my new machine gets going I 
>>>will
>>>get a finished set of documents to answer your questions. Aresti and 
>>>English
>>>explanations will help clarify the problems.
>>>
>>>Lastly I want to thank the guys on the Teams that created the sequences. 
>>>You
>>>will have all their names and credit will be handed out to the guys that 
>>>did
>>>the grunt work. I only gathered the info and combined it. A few changes 
>>>were
>>>made on individual figures to meet KF goals or improve the flow....but 
>>>the
>>>meat and potatoes work that has been done is the ideas and goals of about
>>>15-20 people. I think you all will be as proud of the outcome as I am.
>>>
>>>So thanks for the Hard Work from you guys on the Team!
>>>
>>>
>>>Troy Newman
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Smith" 
>>><dentdoc007 at adelphia.net>
>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:11 AM
>>>Subject: RE: new patterns
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lamar has them.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>>>>On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
>>>>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:32 PM
>>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>Subject: new patterns
>>>>
>>>>  Hey
>>>>Where can I find the new proposed patterns?Guess I am overlooking them.
>>>>
>>>>Jim Ivey
>>>>
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