new patterns

Tue Jun 7 07:44:48 AKDT 2005

John:
Don't worry.  I'll spend about 15 minutes and you'll know the Aresti 
throughly.  (In fact, about 5 minutes should probably do it!)  If Leo 
Loudenslager had invented it, it would be in universal use here, also.  
The old NIH syndrome again.

Bill Glaze

John Ferrell wrote:

> I understand that many folks read and prefer the Areisti diagrams. To 
> me they are a giant step back and are related to hieroglyphics found 
> on cave walls. I bought a used Chrysler minivan nearly a year ago and 
> it is still not clear to me what all the 'glyphs mean. I can recognize 
> the heated seat switch now, but I still don't know which is warmer, 
> the one with three dotted lines through it or the one with one dotted 
> line through it.
>
> As near as I can figure, there are lots of folks enamored with all 
> things foreign!
>
>
> John Ferrell
> http://DixieNC.US
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:30 AM
> Subject: Re: new patterns
>
>
>> List et al,
>>
>> The reality of this is the work that was done was submitted to the 
>> President
>> of the NSRCA. Before I was ready to release documents to the general 
>> public,
>> I was waiting for an approval by the Board. Not that there is anything
>> hidden about it. Just that the Board commissioned the committee and it
>> reports back to the Board. I have not heard any comments from the Board.
>> Once the Board said OK it looks like you fulfilled the charter that 
>> you were
>> given.....then I was going to release the documents on the Internet. 
>> It is
>> my firm belief that the Board will be as pleased with the results as 
>> I. If
>> there were serious issues I would not have submitted the results 
>> regardless
>> of the Deadline. The old idea of the cook not showing the cake until he
>> verifies the kids name is spelled correctly applies here. The Cake is 
>> on its
>> way the work is complete. I don't want to post something and then 
>> have it
>> change in 2-3 days. This adds confusion to the situation. These are 
>> NSRCA
>> proposals and as such the NSRCA Board of Directors should know what 
>> is being
>> done before its released to the hungry crowd. This is a formality 
>> that was
>> agreed upon before work was begun. June 1st was the deadline So its been
>> just a few days since it was sent out to the VPs from Lamar. Lance I
>> appreciate your comments as a member of the Board.
>>
>>
>> For all of you that don't know. The new sequences will be presented 
>> in both
>> the traditional words as we have used in Pattern and also Aresti as a
>> graphical shorthand. IMAC uses this graphical shorthand exclusively. Our
>> section of the hobby is a little different, in the way things are 
>> done. The
>> words and the Aresti in FAI carry equal weight. A main reason for 
>> this is
>> language barriers. The Aresti is more difficult to read sometimes, 
>> but once
>> you send a little time with it begins to make a huge amount of sense. 
>> We in
>> the F3A class flying unknowns use the Aresti to tell us the general
>> shapes...what is this thing suppose to resemble? It works well. We as a
>> committee felt that Aresti was a good thing to introduce to AMA 
>> pattern. So
>> I have the program and am currently getting all the Aresti documents 
>> done.
>> This is in addition to the traditional descriptions that we have had
>> forever. So its like getting Peas and Carrots. Both serve a purpose 
>> and will
>> help define the figures they represent.
>>
>> To quickly answer a couple questions. FAI current has the golf ball 
>> and the
>> reverse golf ball in its catalog. It is basically a vertical gold 
>> fish or
>> Half of a Cuban 8 that is vertical. The 45's cross with the roll 
>> elements
>> and the loop is 3/4 of a circle. A Golf Ball has the loop at the top. 
>> So the
>> model pulls or pushes to a 45 upline performs the required roll 
>> element on
>> center  if there is a roll. Then Loops 270degs to the downline 45 and
>> performs the required roll element on center.The rolls cross at 
>> center like
>> a Cuban 8.  So if you were to draw a Cuban 8 with only one of the 
>> loops but
>> both 45's...then turn it to the loop side up it looks like a golf ball
>> sitting on a  tee. A Reverse Golf ball as in the proposed Masters for 
>> the
>> Survey is this same figure but from the top and the loop portion is 
>> on the
>> bottom. IMAC and the current FAI patterns have a gold fish in them. 
>> The golf
>> ball is a vertical gold fish.
>>
>> Spring Coil. Basically this a variation on a figure 9....models performs
>> 1-1/2 loops at the top of a vertical upline. The figure in question 
>> has the
>> pilots option for inside or outside 1-1/2loop. Basically a figure 9 but
>> instead of 270degs of loop its 540degs. This is 540degs of a circle 
>> to come
>> back down on a vertical. So its a figure 9 style maneuver that starts 
>> and
>> ends at base altitude.
>>
>> Descriptors for new things are following however there are not many new
>> figures.
>>
>> I know these have been flown a bunch. Both the guys in the groups that
>> developed each set flew them and I as well as others flew them too.
>>
>> There are no secrets and everything will be posted and available to 
>> all. I
>> have been fighting a computer that locks up everytime I open
>> word-excel-Explorer-visio. Luckily Email works. I hope Dell will have 
>> the
>> solution on Friday of this coming week when the new box arrives. 
>> Amazing how
>> Win98 is not really supported and you get told if your machine is 
>> 5yrs old
>> its a piece of crap and throw it away. When my new machine gets going 
>> I will
>> get a finished set of documents to answer your questions. Aresti and 
>> English
>> explanations will help clarify the problems.
>>
>> Lastly I want to thank the guys on the Teams that created the 
>> sequences. You
>> will have all their names and credit will be handed out to the guys 
>> that did
>> the grunt work. I only gathered the info and combined it. A few 
>> changes were
>> made on individual figures to meet KF goals or improve the 
>> flow....but the
>> meat and potatoes work that has been done is the ideas and goals of 
>> about
>> 15-20 people. I think you all will be as proud of the outcome as I am.
>>
>> So thanks for the Hard Work from you guys on the Team!
>>
>>
>> Troy Newman
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Smith" 
>> <dentdoc007 at adelphia.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:11 AM
>> Subject: RE: new patterns
>>
>>
>>> Lamar has them.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:32 PM
>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> Subject: new patterns
>>>
>>>  Hey
>>> Where can I find the new proposed patterns?Guess I am overlooking them.
>>>
>>> Jim Ivey
>>>
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