new patterns

Tue Jun 7 09:15:54 AKDT 2005

John:
The big advantage of using Aresti is that it leaves nothing to doubt about 
what is supposed to be flown (asuming you draw it right).  If you know how 
to read it, there is nothing left to discuss about what you are expected to 
do to fly each figure.  I'm probably the last guy to want to adopt something 
just for the sake of doing something new, or because it's foreign.

BTW,  several of my friends from my IMAC days expressed a first time 
interest in Pattern after I talked their ears off about it.  They WANT 
Aresti's.  That's the language that they are used to seeing.

Regards
Ed

>From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: new patterns
>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:25:30 -0400
>
>I understand that many folks read and prefer the Areisti diagrams. To me 
>they are a giant step back and are related to hieroglyphics found on cave 
>walls. I bought a used Chrysler minivan nearly a year ago and it is still 
>not clear to me what all the 'glyphs mean. I can recognize the heated seat 
>switch now, but I still don't know which is warmer, the one with three 
>dotted lines through it or the one with one dotted line through it.
>
>As near as I can figure, there are lots of folks enamored with all things 
>foreign!
>
>
>John Ferrell
>http://DixieNC.US
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:30 AM
>Subject: Re: new patterns
>
>
>>List et al,
>>
>>The reality of this is the work that was done was submitted to the 
>>President
>>of the NSRCA. Before I was ready to release documents to the general 
>>public,
>>I was waiting for an approval by the Board. Not that there is anything
>>hidden about it. Just that the Board commissioned the committee and it
>>reports back to the Board. I have not heard any comments from the Board.
>>Once the Board said OK it looks like you fulfilled the charter that you 
>>were
>>given.....then I was going to release the documents on the Internet. It is
>>my firm belief that the Board will be as pleased with the results as I. If
>>there were serious issues I would not have submitted the results 
>>regardless
>>of the Deadline. The old idea of the cook not showing the cake until he
>>verifies the kids name is spelled correctly applies here. The Cake is on 
>>its
>>way the work is complete. I don't want to post something and then have it
>>change in 2-3 days. This adds confusion to the situation. These are NSRCA
>>proposals and as such the NSRCA Board of Directors should know what is 
>>being
>>done before its released to the hungry crowd. This is a formality that was
>>agreed upon before work was begun. June 1st was the deadline So its been
>>just a few days since it was sent out to the VPs from Lamar. Lance I
>>appreciate your comments as a member of the Board.
>>
>>
>>For all of you that don't know. The new sequences will be presented in 
>>both
>>the traditional words as we have used in Pattern and also Aresti as a
>>graphical shorthand. IMAC uses this graphical shorthand exclusively. Our
>>section of the hobby is a little different, in the way things are done. 
>>The
>>words and the Aresti in FAI carry equal weight. A main reason for this is
>>language barriers. The Aresti is more difficult to read sometimes, but 
>>once
>>you send a little time with it begins to make a huge amount of sense. We 
>>in
>>the F3A class flying unknowns use the Aresti to tell us the general
>>shapes...what is this thing suppose to resemble? It works well. We as a
>>committee felt that Aresti was a good thing to introduce to AMA pattern. 
>>So
>>I have the program and am currently getting all the Aresti documents done.
>>This is in addition to the traditional descriptions that we have had
>>forever. So its like getting Peas and Carrots. Both serve a purpose and 
>>will
>>help define the figures they represent.
>>
>>To quickly answer a couple questions. FAI current has the golf ball and 
>>the
>>reverse golf ball in its catalog. It is basically a vertical gold fish or
>>Half of a Cuban 8 that is vertical. The 45's cross with the roll elements
>>and the loop is 3/4 of a circle. A Golf Ball has the loop at the top. So 
>>the
>>model pulls or pushes to a 45 upline performs the required roll element on
>>center  if there is a roll. Then Loops 270degs to the downline 45 and
>>performs the required roll element on center.The rolls cross at center 
>>like
>>a Cuban 8.  So if you were to draw a Cuban 8 with only one of the loops 
>>but
>>both 45's...then turn it to the loop side up it looks like a golf ball
>>sitting on a  tee. A Reverse Golf ball as in the proposed Masters for the
>>Survey is this same figure but from the top and the loop portion is on the
>>bottom. IMAC and the current FAI patterns have a gold fish in them. The 
>>golf
>>ball is a vertical gold fish.
>>
>>Spring Coil. Basically this a variation on a figure 9....models performs
>>1-1/2 loops at the top of a vertical upline. The figure in question has 
>>the
>>pilots option for inside or outside 1-1/2loop. Basically a figure 9 but
>>instead of 270degs of loop its 540degs. This is 540degs of a circle to 
>>come
>>back down on a vertical. So its a figure 9 style maneuver that starts and
>>ends at base altitude.
>>
>>Descriptors for new things are following however there are not many new
>>figures.
>>
>>I know these have been flown a bunch. Both the guys in the groups that
>>developed each set flew them and I as well as others flew them too.
>>
>>There are no secrets and everything will be posted and available to all. I
>>have been fighting a computer that locks up everytime I open
>>word-excel-Explorer-visio. Luckily Email works. I hope Dell will have the
>>solution on Friday of this coming week when the new box arrives. Amazing 
>>how
>>Win98 is not really supported and you get told if your machine is 5yrs old
>>its a piece of crap and throw it away. When my new machine gets going I 
>>will
>>get a finished set of documents to answer your questions. Aresti and 
>>English
>>explanations will help clarify the problems.
>>
>>Lastly I want to thank the guys on the Teams that created the sequences. 
>>You
>>will have all their names and credit will be handed out to the guys that 
>>did
>>the grunt work. I only gathered the info and combined it. A few changes 
>>were
>>made on individual figures to meet KF goals or improve the flow....but the
>>meat and potatoes work that has been done is the ideas and goals of about
>>15-20 people. I think you all will be as proud of the outcome as I am.
>>
>>So thanks for the Hard Work from you guys on the Team!
>>
>>
>>Troy Newman
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Smith" 
>><dentdoc007 at adelphia.net>
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:11 AM
>>Subject: RE: new patterns
>>
>>
>>>Lamar has them.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>>>On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
>>>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:32 PM
>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>Subject: new patterns
>>>
>>>  Hey
>>>Where can I find the new proposed patterns?Guess I am overlooking them.
>>>
>>>Jim Ivey
>>>
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