Desafio 2000 S

Wed Jan 26 07:54:58 AKST 2005

If your ok covering and painting a cowl I think the Focus 2 is the best bang
for the buck.
----- Original Message -----
From: <bdbd at bellsouth.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Desafio 2000 S

> I can defianatly understand spending alot of time and money on this
airplane. I just finished building my first pattern plane (Desafio) only to
find out alot of people think it is a dog. (no offense to dog owners) Since
this plane would not be a good canidate to keep around what would be a good
second plane.
>
> Dan
> >
> > From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> > Date: 2005/01/26 Wed AM 09:41:08 EST
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> > East Peter...it's only Wednesday up here  :-)
> >
> > Dan,
> >           A lot of people spent some very good money on this plane only
to
> > find out that it was not very "neutral" in the air. I am sure Peter was
only
> > trying to save you some grief.
> >
> > I nearly wrote a reply similar to Peter's but hesitated because I was
not
> > sure why you were asking either?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eric.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Pennisi" <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:22 AM
> > Subject: RE: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well excuse me for trying to help. Somewhere in this thread you said you
> > were a beginner. I was only trying to pass on some experience which I
have
> > learnt over the past 20 years flying pattern. Didn't realise you were so
> > attached to this aircraft.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On
> > Behalf Of bdbd at bellsouth.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 11:49 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > This post started out as me asking for information on where I could find
a
> > Desafio kit. What I ended up with was a total trash of the airplane.
Lets
> > see what happens when I ask this question on the forum. " What plane
would
> > you recommend?"
> >
> > Dan
> > >
> > > From: "Peter Pennisi" <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
> > > Date: 2005/01/25 Tue PM 11:38:01 EST
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Subject: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > I flew a friend's model with the latest changes. To say the least I
wasn't
> > > impressed. The model is certainly capable but you have to work to damm
> > hard
> > > to make a good flight. The model was at its best in the dead calm.
Throw
> > in
> > > a bit of wind which meant you had to fly the rudder you start to
realise
> > > that it was not a good model. The only way the model presents OK is if
you
> > > fly it flat out so that smaller amounts of rudder are only used.
> > >
> > > I fly F3A in Aus. The model just doesn't have it at that level. In the
> > lower
> > > classes you may get good results because you tend not to touch the
rudder
> > > too much.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion for what it's worth.
> > >
> > > There are much better models out there these days. Try to get your
hands
> > on
> > > one and see what I mean.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter Pennisi
> > > Pentagon Systems QLD Pty Ltd
> > > P.O Box 4280
> > > Eight Mile Plains
> > > QLD 4113
> > > Australia
> > > Phone: 61+0738414234
> > > Fax: 61+0738414264
> > > Mobile: 0408007206
> > > Email: pentagon.systems at bigpond.com
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Holzworth
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 1:29 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> > >
> > > The latest improvements were lowering the horizontal stab 20 mm ,
changing
> > > the rake of the vertical stab and rudder, changing the incidence of
the
> > main
> > > wing and horizontal stab to rotate the plane to get rid of the tail
low
> > > attitude and changing the gear. So far so good.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > Bob Pastorello wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan - I'm glad yours is working; I had one of the early ones that had
the
> > > wing improperly located, then the CG was wrong, then the stab
position,
> > then
> > > the "size" of the stab....you get the picture.
> > >
> > > In all honesty, I bought it because I thought it would be just great.
> > Sorta
> > > like the current Quique Yak 54 is reported to be.
> > >
> > > I wish I'd hung in there a bit, but with all the jacking around with
it, I
> > > took the coward's way out. I'm betting that several things got "fixed"
> > > before you got yours, and sure wish you well with it!!!
> > >
> > > Bob Pastorello
> > > NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> > > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > > www.rcaerobats.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Holzworth
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that. It is pitch sensative dialed down the throw added
a
> > > little expo everthings ok. Not sure what your problem was with ground
> > > clearance but I hav eth bolly desafio gear and use a 17-10 still on
the
> > > original prop no nicks yet. Have not touhed the cg, aileron throw or
> > > rudder throw since the original flight seems ok to me but I am a
beginner
> > we
> > > will see how I do in the new season.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > Bob Pastorello wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually, because of the gear location (too far aft) and too short,
the
> > 16.5
> > > x 12 two blade Bolly bit it on the FIRST TAXI...after the air cleared
from
> > > the blue haze of my expletives, I put on a shorter APC flavor
airscrew,
> > and
> > > it staggerred into the air, pitching and porpoising all the way. That
was
> > > how I found out it had WAY too much elevator, and not NEARLY enough
> > anything
> > > else.
> > > So it flew...and hands off, it was WONDERFUL. But make a rudder,
> > > elevator, or aileron correction, and it was all over the place.
> > > I remember an eye-witness asking me "Have you got it?"
> > >
> > > Not too long before it went south.
> > >
> > > Bob Pastorello
> > > NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> > > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > > www.rcaerobats.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Holzworth
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> > >
> > > If it were that bad how did it get off the ground.
> > >
> > > Ed Hartley wrote:
> > >
> > > To land early? ? ? ?
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bob Pastorello
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> > >
> > > No... they scored me to "land"
> > >
> > > Bob Pastorello
> > > NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> > > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > > www.rcaerobats.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: RUDDERCABL at aol.com
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/25/2005 8:27:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > rcaerobob at cox.net writes:
> > > Well....since I've owned and flown both competitively....on a 1 to 10
> > > scale....10 being "can't be better" and 1 being "wish I didn't have
> > it"....
> > > The 2000 S was about minus 4....
> > >
> > > 'Course, just my biased opinion.
> > > Does that mean you gave the judges points to watch you fly it ?
> > >
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