Desafio 2000 S

Wed Jan 26 06:42:19 AKST 2005

I can defianatly understand spending alot of time and money on this airplane. I just finished building my first pattern plane (Desafio) only to find out alot of people think it is a dog. (no offense to dog owners) Since this plane would not be a good canidate to keep around what would be a good second plane.

Dan
> 
> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/01/26 Wed AM 09:41:08 EST
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> 
> East Peter...it's only Wednesday up here  :-)
> 
> Dan,
>           A lot of people spent some very good money on this plane only to 
> find out that it was not very "neutral" in the air. I am sure Peter was only 
> trying to save you some grief.
> 
> I nearly wrote a reply similar to Peter's but hesitated because I was not 
> sure why you were asking either?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Eric.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Pennisi" <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:22 AM
> Subject: RE: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well excuse me for trying to help. Somewhere in this thread you said you
> were a beginner. I was only trying to pass on some experience which I have
> learnt over the past 20 years flying pattern. Didn't realise you were so
> attached to this aircraft.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of bdbd at bellsouth.net
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 11:49 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> 
> Peter,
> 
> This post started out as me asking for information on where I could find a
> Desafio kit. What I ended up with was a total trash of the airplane. Lets
> see what happens when I ask this question on the forum. " What plane would
> you recommend?"
> 
> Dan
> >
> > From: "Peter Pennisi" <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
> > Date: 2005/01/25 Tue PM 11:38:01 EST
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Subject: RE: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > I flew a friend's model with the latest changes. To say the least I wasn't
> > impressed. The model is certainly capable but you have to work to damm
> hard
> > to make a good flight. The model was at its best in the dead calm. Throw
> in
> > a bit of wind which meant you had to fly the rudder you start to realise
> > that it was not a good model. The only way the model presents OK is if you
> > fly it flat out so that smaller amounts of rudder are only used.
> >
> > I fly F3A in Aus. The model just doesn't have it at that level. In the
> lower
> > classes you may get good results because you tend not to touch the rudder
> > too much.
> >
> > Just my opinion for what it's worth.
> >
> > There are much better models out there these days. Try to get your hands
> on
> > one and see what I mean.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Peter Pennisi
> > Pentagon Systems QLD Pty Ltd
> > P.O Box 4280
> > Eight Mile Plains
> > QLD 4113
> > Australia
> > Phone: 61+0738414234
> > Fax: 61+0738414264
> > Mobile: 0408007206
> > Email: pentagon.systems at bigpond.com
> > ________________________________________
> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Holzworth
> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 1:29 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> > The latest improvements were lowering the horizontal stab 20 mm , changing
> > the rake of the vertical stab and rudder, changing the incidence of the
> main
> > wing and horizontal stab to rotate the plane to get rid of the tail low
> > attitude and changing the gear. So far so good.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Bob Pastorello wrote:
> >
> > Dan - I'm glad yours is working; I had one of the early ones that had the
> > wing improperly located, then the CG was wrong, then the stab position,
> then
> > the "size" of the stab....you get the picture.
> >
> > In all honesty, I bought it because I thought it would be just great.
> Sorta
> > like the current Quique Yak 54 is reported to be.
> >
> > I wish I'd hung in there a bit, but with all the jacking around with it, I
> > took the coward's way out. I'm betting that several things got "fixed"
> > before you got yours, and sure wish you well with it!!!
> >
> > Bob Pastorello
> > NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > www.rcaerobats.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Holzworth
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> > Sorry to hear that. It is pitch sensative dialed down the throw added a
> > little expo everthings ok. Not sure what your problem was with ground
> > clearance but I hav eth bolly desafio gear and use a 17-10 still on the
> > original prop no nicks yet. Have not touhed the cg, aileron throw or
> > rudder throw since the original flight seems ok to me but I am a beginner
> we
> > will see how I do in the new season.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Bob Pastorello wrote:
> >
> > Actually, because of the gear location (too far aft) and too short, the
> 16.5
> > x 12 two blade Bolly bit it on the FIRST TAXI...after the air cleared from
> > the blue haze of my expletives, I put on a shorter APC flavor airscrew,
> and
> > it staggerred into the air, pitching and porpoising all the way. That was
> > how I found out it had WAY too much elevator, and not NEARLY enough
> anything
> > else.
> > So it flew...and hands off, it was WONDERFUL. But make a rudder,
> > elevator, or aileron correction, and it was all over the place.
> > I remember an eye-witness asking me "Have you got it?"
> >
> > Not too long before it went south.
> >
> > Bob Pastorello
> > NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > www.rcaerobats.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Holzworth
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> > If it were that bad how did it get off the ground.
> >
> > Ed Hartley wrote:
> >
> > To land early? ? ? ?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Bob Pastorello
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> > No... they scored me to "land"
> >
> > Bob Pastorello
> > NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > www.rcaerobats.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: RUDDERCABL at aol.com
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
> >
> > In a message dated 1/25/2005 8:27:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > rcaerobob at cox.net writes:
> > Well....since I've owned and flown both competitively....on a 1 to 10
> > scale....10 being "can't be better" and 1 being "wish I didn't have
> it"....
> > The 2000 S was about minus 4....
> >
> > 'Course, just my biased opinion.
> > Does that mean you gave the judges points to watch you fly it ?
> >
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