[SPAM] Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to accept it.

[Verne Koester]

Wayne,
The whole concept of "what's hardest" is subjective so nobody's wrong and 
nobody's right. What I was referring to was a consensus based on numerous 
pilots I've discussed this with. There's absolutely no doubt that keeping 
wings level is critical to just about everything we do and we have to work 
on it constantly. I'm finding it more difficult now that age is 
deteriorating my vision than it was fifteen or twenty years ago.

However, the most frustration I've ever felt flying pattern was when I 
transitioned from the old, non-turnaround, AMA Advanced pattern to a class 
called Expert Turnaround back in the early nineties. That class was pretty 
simple with only about a dozen or so maneuvers that pales in comparison to 
what Advanced does today. Nonetheless, it was exasperating to me trying to 
stay in the box. Who knows, maybe the ACTUAL problem is that my wings 
weren't level  ;>)

Verne Koester


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wgalligan" <wgalligan at cnbcom.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you 
chose to accept it.


> Vern,
>
> I will respectfully disagree with you on the hardest part of flying 
> pattern.
>
> Granted these are all important but I feel the wings level in all 
> altitudes
> IS one of the most important aspects of flying patter correctly.  It is so
> easy to want to see the top of the wing for reference.  I still  have
> problems with it and I see it in just about every maneuver that has
> problems.
>
> Keeping the wings level or perpendicular to the box or flight line.  It is
> difficult to tell how level your wings are as you start flying at a higher
> altitudes.  Same with down lines(my biggest problem) so that when you pull
> or push out that you wings are level or you are not coming in or going 
> out.
>
> This is addressed with the straight flight out and back but is not 
> discussed
> much in reference to change of altitude and vertical lines. And so should 
> be
> a major consideration on building the sportsman pattern and up.
>
> Wayne Galligan
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message -----
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose 
> to
> accept it.
>
>
>> Eric,
>> The main maneuvers in 401 & 402 were purposely left the same. The main
>> lesson in 402 is turnaround which is more than plenty for most. The pilot
>> gets to bring everything learned in Sportsman with him. In fact, while
>> competing in 401, one could be practicing for 402 without changing much.
>> That's the beauty of the design. For me, and many pilots I've discussed
> this
>> with agree, the hardest things learned flying pattern with number one
> being
>> the hardest are as follows:
>>
>> 1. Flying turnaround
>>
>> 2. Slow Roll
>>
>> 3. 4 Point Roll
>>
>> 4. Any Roll that changes direction such as Reverse Knife Edge
>>
>> Of those I've talked to, some had a harder time learning the 4 point and
>> some the slow roll so 2 & 3 are interchangeable. However, the transition
> to
>> turnaround is undoubtedly the toughest of all which is why everything 
>> else
>> going from Sportsman to Intermediate was left the same.
>>
>> Verne
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose
> to
>> accept it.
>>
>>
>> > Thank you Verne,
>> >
>> > Ref. Eric, "Here yaw go. I doubt something this radical would ever be
>> > accepted, but at
>> > least it will serve to underline some of the concepts I was discussing
> and
>> > defending recently on the List"
>> >
>> > Verne,
>> >            It's actually not that radical and you get bonus points for
>> > doing three of them :-)
>> >
>> > Now, if you feel so inclined the, next part of the task would be to
> match
>> > the maneuvers. What we did/do is take each maneuver and trace how 
>> > trains
>> > the pilot for the next level up. Then sometimes you tweak the maneuver.
>> >
>> > For example, in your work below I would match the double stall turns 
>> > and
>> > do the following;
>> > 401 - Double Stall Turn
>> > 402 - Double Stall Turn
>> > 403 - Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls
>> > 404 etc.
>> >
>> > What leaps out at me is the 402 could be tweaked to have 1/4 rolls and
>> > then you would have a pretty darn good ladder to climb with no rungs
>> > missing.
>> >
>> > 401 - Double Stall Turn
>> > 402 - Double Stall Turn w/Quarter Rolls
>> > 403 - Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Eric.
>> >
>> > P.S. Even though this is an exercise it does allow you to show how
>> > interested you might be in getting involved in our future.
>> >
>> >
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