[SPAM] Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to accept it.

[Bob Pastorello]

Wayne, I think Verne's points are about maneuvers.  And I'd agree with him on that.
    What you're talking about, and is also HUGELY important, are those "pattern fundamentals".  There are sure a lot of THOSE, and the wings level is but one....
    When I'm working with folks I spend a lot more time at first on all the "elements" of patterns, THEN on to manuevers/sequences.
    For example, besides wings level, there is constant control of track and altitude with respect to crosswinds or turbulence.  Then "accuracy" of angles.... we need to really know 45's, and 90's, no matter where they are in the box!!!

There's a lot more....

Bob Pastorello
NSRCA 199  AMA 46373
rcaerobob at cox.net
www.rcaerobats.net


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: wgalligan 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:16 AM
  Subject: [SPAM] Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to accept it.


  Vern,

  I will respectfully disagree with you on the hardest part of flying pattern.

  Granted these are all important but I feel the wings level in all altitudes
  IS one of the most important aspects of flying patter correctly.  It is so
  easy to want to see the top of the wing for reference.  I still  have
  problems with it and I see it in just about every maneuver that has
  problems.

  Keeping the wings level or perpendicular to the box or flight line.  It is
  difficult to tell how level your wings are as you start flying at a higher
  altitudes.  Same with down lines(my biggest problem) so that when you pull
  or push out that you wings are level or you are not coming in or going out.

  This is addressed with the straight flight out and back but is not discussed
  much in reference to change of altitude and vertical lines. And so should be
  a major consideration on building the sportsman pattern and up.

  Wayne Galligan




  -- Original Message -----
  From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
  To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
  Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:57 PM
  Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to
  accept it.


  > Eric,
  > The main maneuvers in 401 & 402 were purposely left the same. The main
  > lesson in 402 is turnaround which is more than plenty for most. The pilot
  > gets to bring everything learned in Sportsman with him. In fact, while
  > competing in 401, one could be practicing for 402 without changing much.
  > That's the beauty of the design. For me, and many pilots I've discussed
  this
  > with agree, the hardest things learned flying pattern with number one
  being
  > the hardest are as follows:
  >
  > 1. Flying turnaround
  >
  > 2. Slow Roll
  >
  > 3. 4 Point Roll
  >
  > 4. Any Roll that changes direction such as Reverse Knife Edge
  >
  > Of those I've talked to, some had a harder time learning the 4 point and
  > some the slow roll so 2 & 3 are interchangeable. However, the transition
  to
  > turnaround is undoubtedly the toughest of all which is why everything else
  > going from Sportsman to Intermediate was left the same.
  >
  > Verne
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
  > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
  > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:36 PM
  > Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose
  to
  > accept it.
  >
  >
  > > Thank you Verne,
  > >
  > > Ref. Eric, "Here yaw go. I doubt something this radical would ever be
  > > accepted, but at
  > > least it will serve to underline some of the concepts I was discussing
  and
  > > defending recently on the List"
  > >
  > > Verne,
  > >            It's actually not that radical and you get bonus points for
  > > doing three of them :-)
  > >
  > > Now, if you feel so inclined the, next part of the task would be to
  match
  > > the maneuvers. What we did/do is take each maneuver and trace how trains
  > > the pilot for the next level up. Then sometimes you tweak the maneuver.
  > >
  > > For example, in your work below I would match the double stall turns and
  > > do the following;
  > > 401 - Double Stall Turn
  > > 402 - Double Stall Turn
  > > 403 - Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls
  > > 404 etc.
  > >
  > > What leaps out at me is the 402 could be tweaked to have 1/4 rolls and
  > > then you would have a pretty darn good ladder to climb with no rungs
  > > missing.
  > >
  > > 401 - Double Stall Turn
  > > 402 - Double Stall Turn w/Quarter Rolls
  > > 403 - Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls
  > >
  > > What do you think?
  > >
  > > Regards,
  > >
  > > Eric.
  > >
  > > P.S. Even though this is an exercise it does allow you to show how
  > > interested you might be in getting involved in our future.
  > >
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