[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to accept it.

Sun Jan 16 08:39:46 AKST 2005

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Smooth Flying Brother..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should
you chose to accept it.

> Wayne,
> The whole concept of "what's hardest" is subjective so nobody's wrong and
> nobody's right. What I was referring to was a consensus based on numerous
> pilots I've discussed this with. There's absolutely no doubt that keeping
> wings level is critical to just about everything we do and we have to work
> on it constantly. I'm finding it more difficult now that age is
> deteriorating my vision than it was fifteen or twenty years ago.
>
> However, the most frustration I've ever felt flying pattern was when I
> transitioned from the old, non-turnaround, AMA Advanced pattern to a class
> called Expert Turnaround back in the early nineties. That class was pretty
> simple with only about a dozen or so maneuvers that pales in comparison to
> what Advanced does today. Nonetheless, it was exasperating to me trying to
> stay in the box. Who knows, maybe the ACTUAL problem is that my wings
> weren't level  ;>)
>
> Verne Koester
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wgalligan" <wgalligan at cnbcom.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:16 PM
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you
> chose to accept it.
>
>
> > Vern,
> >
> > I will respectfully disagree with you on the hardest part of flying
> > pattern.
> >
> > Granted these are all important but I feel the wings level in all
> > altitudes
> > IS one of the most important aspects of flying patter correctly.  It is
so
> > easy to want to see the top of the wing for reference.  I still  have
> > problems with it and I see it in just about every maneuver that has
> > problems.
> >
> > Keeping the wings level or perpendicular to the box or flight line.  It
is
> > difficult to tell how level your wings are as you start flying at a
higher
> > altitudes.  Same with down lines(my biggest problem) so that when you
pull
> > or push out that you wings are level or you are not coming in or going
> > out.
> >
> > This is addressed with the straight flight out and back but is not
> > discussed
> > much in reference to change of altitude and vertical lines. And so
should
> > be
> > a major consideration on building the sportsman pattern and up.
> >
> > Wayne Galligan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message -----
> > From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose
> > to
> > accept it.
> >
> >
> >> Eric,
> >> The main maneuvers in 401 & 402 were purposely left the same. The main
> >> lesson in 402 is turnaround which is more than plenty for most. The
pilot
> >> gets to bring everything learned in Sportsman with him. In fact, while
> >> competing in 401, one could be practicing for 402 without changing
much.
> >> That's the beauty of the design. For me, and many pilots I've discussed
> > this
> >> with agree, the hardest things learned flying pattern with number one
> > being
> >> the hardest are as follows:
> >>
> >> 1. Flying turnaround
> >>
> >> 2. Slow Roll
> >>
> >> 3. 4 Point Roll
> >>
> >> 4. Any Roll that changes direction such as Reverse Knife Edge
> >>
> >> Of those I've talked to, some had a harder time learning the 4 point
and
> >> some the slow roll so 2 & 3 are interchangeable. However, the
transition
> > to
> >> turnaround is undoubtedly the toughest of all which is why everything
> >> else
> >> going from Sportsman to Intermediate was left the same.
> >>
> >> Verne
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:36 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you
chose
> > to
> >> accept it.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Thank you Verne,
> >> >
> >> > Ref. Eric, "Here yaw go. I doubt something this radical would ever be
> >> > accepted, but at
> >> > least it will serve to underline some of the concepts I was
discussing
> > and
> >> > defending recently on the List"
> >> >
> >> > Verne,
> >> >            It's actually not that radical and you get bonus points
for
> >> > doing three of them :-)
> >> >
> >> > Now, if you feel so inclined the, next part of the task would be to
> > match
> >> > the maneuvers. What we did/do is take each maneuver and trace how
> >> > trains
> >> > the pilot for the next level up. Then sometimes you tweak the
maneuver.
> >> >
> >> > For example, in your work below I would match the double stall turns
> >> > and
> >> > do the following;
> >> > 401 - Double Stall Turn
> >> > 402 - Double Stall Turn
> >> > 403 - Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls
> >> > 404 etc.
> >> >
> >> > What leaps out at me is the 402 could be tweaked to have 1/4 rolls
and
> >> > then you would have a pretty darn good ladder to climb with no rungs
> >> > missing.
> >> >
> >> > 401 - Double Stall Turn
> >> > 402 - Double Stall Turn w/Quarter Rolls
> >> > 403 - Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls
> >> >
> >> > What do you think?
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Eric.
> >> >
> >> > P.S. Even though this is an exercise it does allow you to show how
> >> > interested you might be in getting involved in our future.
> >> >
> >> >
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