[SPAM] Re: Re: Class Structure - 400S

George Kennie geobet at gis.net
Tue Jan 11 07:53:03 AKST 2005 

All very good ideas Dan!

Dan Curtis wrote:

> Bob and all,
>
> I have been lurking on this thread for awhile and decided to throw in my
> thoughts.
> I have been a CD for awhile and have hosted and attended alot of contest
> over the past few years.  I don't recall having one Sportsman flyer talk
> about the sequence being to hard, difficult for some yes, but too hard no.
> I have had practically everyone (Sportsman flyer) that I have talked to tell
> me that it is awfully short.  A few thought it was just about right while
> most wanted more flight time per sequence.  Flying the sequence twice per
> flight seemed to remedy most of the grumbles.  Double sequences worked
> pretty well without causing any problems with scoring or in total contest
> time and could be looked at very closely.  It is easy to do by just posting
> the intent in advance.  I for one, would not mind seeing a few more
> maneuvers added to the class but I can also see where it could be raising
> the intimidation factor a few points to newbies.
>
> Adding another class in our current schedules would be a poor path to take,
> IMHO.  Contestant numbers are low at some contest all ready and I have seen
> many contest with from 1 to 3 Sportsman entrants.  A pre novice class could
> very easily dilute this kind of attendance into 1 per class for example.
> CD's would need to come up with sponsors or monies for another set of awards
> and could very well have many awards going to waste.  I also, am one of the
> few (it seems) that believe the Sportsman class in pattern is for beginning
> "pattern" flyers and not necessarily for beginning RC flyers.  I see nothing
> wrong with a newbie "pattern flyer" entering his first contest in Sportsman
> with the best gear that is available if that is what he/she wants to fly.  I
> know years ago when I first decided to enter the pattern fraternity it never
> enter my mind to go into the beginning class with out  the best equipment I
> could manage. The idea of Pre-Sportsman class to attract the real fledglings
> is precisely what pattern primers are designed to accomplish and this is
> where our efforts and energy should be directed.  I feel we can use, stand
> alone pattern primers or primers inbedded in club fun flys, to a much
> greater degree than we have been, and that this approach would serve our
> goal of stimulating interest in pattern flying much more effectively than a
> watered down new class.
>
> Thanks for reading
>
> Dan Curtis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rcaerobob at cox.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: January 10, 2005 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Class Structure - 400S
>
> > EVERY time we have a rules change/cycle pending, and we start discussing
> what to do....SOMEBODY says "Add another Class".
> > It is obvious that I am the only person who sees how incredibly
> dis-serving this would be...no one else has spoken up!!!
> >
> > The main reason that "extra classes" get suggested, is because we have
> never had the chutzpa to get together in real consensus and build the class
> transistions properly.  I remember when Verne had his set.  I remember when
> we had a couple of pretty good schdules set up a few cycles back...BOOM.
> Blown up because WE - not anyone else - cannot get our act together in
> dealing with the core issues.
> >
> > If we decide we need another entry class, then it should be crystal clear
> that there is something WRONG with the Sportsman sequence, and that has
> happened because we had to make Intermediate more difficult so there
> wouldn't be this chasm to leap into Advanced, which we made more difficult
> because of the HUGE-er chasm into Masters!!!!!
> >
> > DOES NO ONE ELSE - REALLY - SEE this but ME ?????
> > Ya'll gotta tell me, because if I am an "Army of One", I'll just go away,
> and let ya'll figger out fer yerselves.
> >
> > SOMEBODY tell me.....straight up!!!
> >
> > BOb Pastorello
> > (Having a MONDAY at the salt mine!!!!!!!!!!!)
> > >
> > > From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> > > Date: 2005/01/10 Mon PM 12:54:15 EST
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Class Structure - 400S
> > >
> > > Yes like SPA.
> > >
> > > I am a big fan of SPA but it has one thing that does not work that well
> for
> > > me.  That is the planes flown.
> > >
> > > The 400S class would use current models, if the pilot so desired. Of
> course
> > > the older designs might well prove to competitive again - how cunning of
> me
> > > to even suggest that. Also the age of the pilot is not really a rule.
> > >
> > > The 400S class  would find its own level just like water.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Eric.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Ivey" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Class Structure - 400S
> > >
> > >
> > > > Eric
> > > > As in SPA.......
> > > >
> > > > Jim Ivey
> > > >>
> > > >> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> > > >> Date: 2005/01/10 Mon PM 12:32:40 EST
> > > >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: Class Structure - 400S
> > > >>
> > > >> It may well be that we need a similar routine for the older flyers
> who
> > > >> now
> > > >> find turnarounds to be too far away? (No tease or insult intended.)
> I'm
> > > >> just being realistic and live close to there right now.
> > > >>
> > > >> The class would have NO progression or pointing-out exit rules. Enter
> if
> > > >> you
> > > >> want. Call it 400S. S=sport=fun etc...
> > > >>
> > > >> For the record I have always liked the idea of a non-turnaround
> > > >> starter/primer.fun-acrobatics schedule.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Eric,
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Tom Simes" <nsrca at shinymetalass.com>
> > > >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:19 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: Class Structure
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:09:04 -0500
> > > >> > "Del Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Hi Verne.
> > > >> >>     I am only 1 vote but you would have my support as many I have
> > > >> >>     tried to get to consider giving pattern a try were intimidated
> by
> > > >> >>     the box and keeping a group of maneuvers in it. Without a
> coach
> > > >> >>     was to over whelming for them.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>                              del
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Rather than formally creating a new division or simplifying the
> > > >> > sportsman sequence, how about addressing the issue locally as
> needed
> > > >> > with something like a "newbie hour" prior to starting the contest?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It seems to me that instead of a single cause such as turn around
> > > >> > maneuvers, or flying within the box itself, there are likely a wide
> > > >> > variety of fairly minor barriers which keep pilots from making the
> leap
> > > >> > from being interested to being participants.  This list is ample
> > > >> > evidence of both our desire to grow the sport and help each other.
> > > >> > While everyone is getting unpacked and set up, how about formally
> > > >> > setting aside an hour to help newbies one on one nail that maneuver
> > > >> > that
> > > >> > eludes them, get their plane trimmed, get their engine running
> right,
> > > >> > or
> > > >> > just give them 5 minutes on a buddy box flying a well set up
> pattern
> > > >> > plane with an experienced pilot.  In short, take an hour and do
> what
> > > >> > you
> > > >> > can to push someone over the interested hump and into participant
> mode.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Some folks fall naturally into the mentoring mode and would
> volunteer
> > > >> > for the duty, but if that fails maybe the mentoring could be part
> of
> > > >> > first round judging duties.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What do you think?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Tom
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> _____________________________________________________________________
> > > >> >
> > > >> >       |  ,  |               Tom Simes
> > > >> > ---------(@)---------        AMA 230068
> > > >> >        --|--                NSRCA 3830
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