[SPAM] Re: Class Structure - 400S

Jeff Hughes jeffghughes at comcast.net
Mon Jan 10 17:35:24 AKST 2005 

Your right Dave, and I still get in trouble in advance if there is a really 
stiff crosswind!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lockhart" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: Class Structure - 400S


> Jeff,
>
> I think you have a good point.  As one of the old guys that loved old 
> style
> AMA, I do think it was easier - and that was reflected in the higher 
> average
> score per maneuver and greater precision typical of center manuevers at 
> that
> time.  But I can also tell you that any of the good AMA pilots were not
> relaxing on the turnarounds - having a good straight line coming into a
> manuever was every bit as critical then as it is now - and maintaining 
> that
> line after the maneuver was critical as if you shifted the line - you were
> letting the judges know the manuever had an error.
>
> Currently, I am judging the need for box exits based on the quality of
> flying I see.  The longer the plane is in the box, the further out of 
> shape
> it gets - especially in a crosswind.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Lockhart
> DaveL322 at comcast.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hughes" <jeffghughes at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Class Structure - 400S
>
>
>> All you old guys look at the turnaround manuevers as a big deal because
> you
>> went through the change from turnaround to non-turnaround. The new people
>> really don't know any better and the turnaround part of the pattern is no
>> more intimidating than any other part of the pattern. I came in post
>> turnaround and flew in my first contest in Plainfield, IN. I live in the
>> middle of Indiana and there was nobody at my field flying pattern. The 
>> guy
>> that ran the contest (who's name escapes at the moment) got somebody to
>> coach the Novice pattern with me before my first flight and talk me
> through
>> it. Without him, I probably would of quit in the middle of the contest 
>> and
>> went home. It's really the intimidation factor of preparing, flying in
> front
>> of judges, looking stupid in front of people who are obviously better
> pilots
>> than yourself. This is what I remember about Novice, not the specific
>> manuevers.
>>
>> Plus don't sell some of the new guys short. I taught a guy this year who
> was
>> around 55 who soloed in three flights. Equipment is better than ever, 
>> they
>> buy arfs so there is no emotional attachment and they fly simulators so
> they
>> can be way up the learning curve before they get the first flight in.  I
>> don't think the difficulty of the sportsman class is the real issue, it's
>> getting people involved and helping them.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Class Structure - 400S
>>
>>
>> > It may well be that we need a similar routine for the older flyers who
> now
>> > find turnarounds to be too far away? (No tease or insult intended.) 
>> > I'm
>> > just being realistic and live close to there right now.
>> >
>> > The class would have NO progression or pointing-out exit rules. Enter 
>> > if
>> > you want. Call it 400S. S=sport=fun etc...
>> >
>> > For the record I have always liked the idea of a non-turnaround
>> > starter/primer.fun-acrobatics schedule.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Eric,
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Tom Simes" <nsrca at shinymetalass.com>
>> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:19 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Class Structure
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:09:04 -0500
>> >> "Del Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Verne.
>> >>>     I am only 1 vote but you would have my support as many I have
>> >>>     tried to get to consider giving pattern a try were intimidated by
>> >>>     the box and keeping a group of maneuvers in it. Without a coach
>> >>>     was to over whelming for them.
>> >>>
>> >>>                              del
>> >>
>> >> Rather than formally creating a new division or simplifying the
>> >> sportsman sequence, how about addressing the issue locally as needed
>> >> with something like a "newbie hour" prior to starting the contest?
>> >>
>> >> It seems to me that instead of a single cause such as turn around
>> >> maneuvers, or flying within the box itself, there are likely a wide
>> >> variety of fairly minor barriers which keep pilots from making the 
>> >> leap
>> >> from being interested to being participants.  This list is ample
>> >> evidence of both our desire to grow the sport and help each other.
>> >> While everyone is getting unpacked and set up, how about formally
>> >> setting aside an hour to help newbies one on one nail that maneuver
> that
>> >> eludes them, get their plane trimmed, get their engine running right,
> or
>> >> just give them 5 minutes on a buddy box flying a well set up pattern
>> >> plane with an experienced pilot.  In short, take an hour and do what
> you
>> >> can to push someone over the interested hump and into participant 
>> >> mode.
>> >>
>> >> Some folks fall naturally into the mentoring mode and would volunteer
>> >> for the duty, but if that fails maybe the mentoring could be part of
>> >> first round judging duties.
>> >>
>> >> What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >> _____________________________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >>       |  ,  |               Tom Simes
>> >> ---------(@)---------        AMA 230068
>> >>        --|--                NSRCA 3830
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