[SPAM] Re: Class Structure - 400S

Mon Jan 10 16:28:15 AKST 2005

Jeff,

I think you have a good point.  As one of the old guys that loved old style
AMA, I do think it was easier - and that was reflected in the higher average
score per maneuver and greater precision typical of center manuevers at that
time.  But I can also tell you that any of the good AMA pilots were not
relaxing on the turnarounds - having a good straight line coming into a
manuever was every bit as critical then as it is now - and maintaining that
line after the maneuver was critical as if you shifted the line - you were
letting the judges know the manuever had an error.

Currently, I am judging the need for box exits based on the quality of
flying I see.  The longer the plane is in the box, the further out of shape
it gets - especially in a crosswind.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hughes" <jeffghughes at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Class Structure - 400S

> All you old guys look at the turnaround manuevers as a big deal because
you
> went through the change from turnaround to non-turnaround. The new people
> really don't know any better and the turnaround part of the pattern is no
> more intimidating than any other part of the pattern. I came in post
> turnaround and flew in my first contest in Plainfield, IN. I live in the
> middle of Indiana and there was nobody at my field flying pattern. The guy
> that ran the contest (who's name escapes at the moment) got somebody to
> coach the Novice pattern with me before my first flight and talk me
through
> it. Without him, I probably would of quit in the middle of the contest and
> went home. It's really the intimidation factor of preparing, flying in
front
> of judges, looking stupid in front of people who are obviously better
pilots
> than yourself. This is what I remember about Novice, not the specific
> manuevers.
>
> Plus don't sell some of the new guys short. I taught a guy this year who
was
> around 55 who soloed in three flights. Equipment is better than ever, they
> buy arfs so there is no emotional attachment and they fly simulators so
they
> can be way up the learning curve before they get the first flight in.  I
> don't think the difficulty of the sportsman class is the real issue, it's
> getting people involved and helping them.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Class Structure - 400S
>
>
> > It may well be that we need a similar routine for the older flyers who
now
> > find turnarounds to be too far away? (No tease or insult intended.)  I'm
> > just being realistic and live close to there right now.
> >
> > The class would have NO progression or pointing-out exit rules. Enter if
> > you want. Call it 400S. S=sport=fun etc...
> >
> > For the record I have always liked the idea of a non-turnaround
> > starter/primer.fun-acrobatics schedule.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Simes" <nsrca at shinymetalass.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: Class Structure
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:09:04 -0500
> >> "Del Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Verne.
> >>>     I am only 1 vote but you would have my support as many I have
> >>>     tried to get to consider giving pattern a try were intimidated by
> >>>     the box and keeping a group of maneuvers in it. Without a coach
> >>>     was to over whelming for them.
> >>>
> >>>                              del
> >>
> >> Rather than formally creating a new division or simplifying the
> >> sportsman sequence, how about addressing the issue locally as needed
> >> with something like a "newbie hour" prior to starting the contest?
> >>
> >> It seems to me that instead of a single cause such as turn around
> >> maneuvers, or flying within the box itself, there are likely a wide
> >> variety of fairly minor barriers which keep pilots from making the leap
> >> from being interested to being participants.  This list is ample
> >> evidence of both our desire to grow the sport and help each other.
> >> While everyone is getting unpacked and set up, how about formally
> >> setting aside an hour to help newbies one on one nail that maneuver
that
> >> eludes them, get their plane trimmed, get their engine running right,
or
> >> just give them 5 minutes on a buddy box flying a well set up pattern
> >> plane with an experienced pilot.  In short, take an hour and do what
you
> >> can to push someone over the interested hump and into participant mode.
> >>
> >> Some folks fall naturally into the mentoring mode and would volunteer
> >> for the duty, but if that fails maybe the mentoring could be part of
> >> first round judging duties.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> _____________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>       |  ,  |               Tom Simes
> >> ---------(@)---------        AMA 230068
> >>        --|--                NSRCA 3830
> >>          '                  nsrca at shinymetalass.com
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